US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 262

Rockstar · 12-10-17, 10:28 AM

vienna · 12-11-17, 03:49 PM

Trump’s Treasury Dept embarrasses itself with one-page ‘analysis’ --

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...-page-analysis

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Mr Quatro · 12-11-17, 04:33 PM

CNN does it again

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CNN mocked for airing segment on Trump's soda consumption while NYC faced terror attack

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...or-attack.html

vienna · 12-11-17, 04:56 PM

Poll: Percentage of Americans Identifying As Republican Has Dropped Since Trump Won --

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000313

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Rockstar · 12-11-17, 06:25 PM

Like a reed in the wind it bends which ever way the wind blows. What you posted was a daily track which means "Gallup interviews approximately 1,000 U.S. adults aged 18 and older every day." When one looks back over the long term it may not be much of a dramatic change one may be lead to believe after reading the Huffington Post. The fat lady hasn't started singing yet.
As 2017 Nov 2-8

Republican-25%, Independent-42%, Democrat-30%

Looking back it seems that Republicans tend to float 3 to 5 points up and down. However Independents appear to increase as Democrat percentages trend lower. But that's just me.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/pa...filiation.aspx

em2nought · 12-11-17, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Poll: Percentage of Americans Identifying As Republican Has Dropped Since Trump Won --

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Maybe those folks don't identify "Trump" as a Republican either. It's pretty clear that the old crop needs drained from the swamp along with the democrats. Maybe they identify as what is going to replace what the Republicans have become

vienna · 12-11-17, 07:28 PM

The irrefutable fact is the GOP has lost a significant amount of voter support in the year since Trump's election and it doesn't seem to be getting any better; on top of that, they still trail the DEMs in numbers...

If you really want to see the future of election politics in the US, look at the voters, like myself, who are self-described as Independents; you own cite places us at 42% and the number has been growing over the years; I seriously doubt whatever the GOP morphs into, if it doesn't collapse into an irrelevant factor, will be something that will draw many of the new Independents back into the fold; Independents think freely and individually, something neither party particularly wants and most particularly not the GOP...

But there may be a silver lining: once Trump is dumped, maybe the GOP can get back a few of the strays...

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Mr Quatro · 12-11-17, 08:19 PM

Polls? Did you bring up the subject of polls?

Were the polls wrong November 2016? Yes they were, embarrassingly wrong

Who would trust a poll? A left winger perhaps? If it were to his or her liking that is

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 12-11-17, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Polls? Did you bring up the subject of polls?

Were the polls wrong November 2016? Yes they were, embarrassingly wrong

Who would trust a poll? A left winger perhaps? If it were to his or her liking that is

The only poll I like is a ten footer, pole that is.

Dowly · 12-12-17, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Who would trust a poll? A left winger perhaps?

Donald Trump. He links to polls quite regularly in his tweets.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...94578777174021

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32166728527872

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If it were to his or her liking that is

Again, the answer is Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74430800539648

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...84126582972416

vienna · 12-12-17, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Donald Trump. He links to polls quite regularly in his tweets.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...94578777174021

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32166728527872

Again, the answer is Donald Trump.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...74430800539648

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...84126582972416

Trump is obsessed with polls, but seems, as is his wont about almost all subjects, to not really understand exactly what the polls really mean; he has, in just the past week or so, touted a poll that actually showed his disapproval rating hitting an even 60% for the first time and a new high for that category, yet he somehow saw his rather dismal approval rating as a plus; I may not be a great at maths, but I am pretty sure if 60% of the people don't like you, what you stand for, or what you are doing, then that is not a very good sign...

Once again, Trump tweets out a bad poll number that’s still better than reality --

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.301f4c7c21a0

There is cold reality and fact and, then there is Trump; unfortunately for him, cold fact and reality tends to win out in the end...

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STEED · 12-13-17, 06:08 AM

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Alabama election: Democrat Jones defeats Roy Moore in Senate upset

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42333712

How much bad news is this for Trump?

vienna · 12-13-17, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42333712

How much bad news is this for Trump?

Not so much for Trump; he's already trying to walk back his support of Moore; he's now saying he was right all along since he supported Moore's opponent during the Alabama Senate Primary (which Moore won) and that Moore's defeat yesterday was vindication of how right Trump is; basically, Trump is throwing Moore under the bus, a trait Trump is well known for and a trait many of those who support him and who expect him to support them should keep in mind...

The big cause for concern is for the GOP: the last Congressional session, they had 54 seats in the Senate out of 100; they started this session with 52 seats, a loss of two in the last election, and now, with the election of Jones, the GOP is down to 51 total seats; with the upcoming 2018 mid-term elections looming, an increasingly unpopular president, a scattered legislative agenda, and growing PR problems, the GOP is going to be hard pressed to keep their majority in the Senate...

Something the GOP or any party that allows the more extreme wings of their party hold sway to consider: politics is much like a pendulum - the father you allow it to be pulled towards the farther limit of its swing in one direction, the farther and faster it will swing towards the opposite of its limit...

Things are not getting any better for Trump; Nikki Haley, US Ambassador to the UN and very high profile member of the Trump administration, just came out with a statement putting Trump squarely in the cross-hairs of the current sexual misconduct controversies:

Nikki Haley: women who accuse Trump of sexual misconduct 'should be heard' --

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...hould-be-heard

Now, Roger Stone, GOP strategist and close Trump ally, has come out with statements that will give Trump little comfort:

It's ‘Painfully Obvious’ Trump Will Be Charged by Mueller, Says President’s Ally Roger Stone --

http://www.newsweek.com/painfully-ob...r-stone-747155

Now, will Trump pull a 'Nixon' and seal his doom by firing Mueller?...

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Mr Quatro · 12-13-17, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Now, will Trump pull a 'Nixon' and seal his doom by firing Mueller?...

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No!

vienna · 12-13-17, 04:16 PM

Sometimes you gotta wonder just how gullible the purveyors of fraud think their victims really are, particularly if your intended victim is a knowledgeable and shrewd US Senator. Some person or persons have tried to float an allegation US Senator Charles "Chuck" Schumer was or is under threat of legal action related to sexual harassment charges as part of an apparent smear campaign against the high-profile Trump critic:

Senate's Top Democrat Chuck Schumer Asks Police To Investigate Forged Document Framing Him As Sex Criminal --

http://www.newsweek.com/police-hande...mer-sex-746677

Needless to say, the Alt-Right press and supporters glommed on to the alleged "court filing" like they were mosquitoes in a nudist colony. They, who so often decry "fake news", didn't seem to have any qualms about going off half-cocked with the forgery, perhaps a significant indication of just how desperate the Alt-Right and other Trump supporters are to shift any amount of focus from the failings of their guy. This embrace is now come a cropper as more and more facts come to light:

Alt-Right Hyped Sexual Harassment Hoax to Attack Schumer --

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-c...yers-complaint

This has got to be one of the most pathetic attempts at a smear in recent history. The perpetrators seem to have given no thought to the idea any attack against any high-profile politico is going to get an extreme amount of scrutiny and vetting. It is going to be interesting to find out who is behind this farce...

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"There is cold reality and fact and, ... cold fact and reality tends to win out in the end..."

How does that go?

Oh, yes: "sad, weak"...

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vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,495 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Poll: Percentage of Americans Identifying As Republican Has Dropped Since Trump Won -- https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ushpmg00000313 <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

12-11-17, 06:25 PM	#3920
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,811 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Like a reed in the wind it bends which ever way the wind blows. What you posted was a daily track which means "Gallup interviews approximately 1,000 U.S. adults aged 18 and older every day." When one looks back over the long term it may not be much of a dramatic change one may be lead to believe after reading the Huffington Post. The fat lady hasn't started singing yet. As 2017 Nov 2-8 Republican-25%, Independent-42%, Democrat-30% Looking back it seems that Republicans tend to float 3 to 5 points up and down. However Independents appear to increase as Democrat percentages trend lower. But that's just me. http://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/pa...filiation.aspx __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 12-11-17 at 10:21 PM.

12-11-17, 07:28 PM	#3922
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,495 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The irrefutable fact is the GOP has lost a significant amount of voter support in the year since Trump's election and it doesn't seem to be getting any better; on top of that, they still trail the DEMs in numbers... If you really want to see the future of election politics in the US, look at the voters, like myself, who are self-described as Independents; you own cite places us at 42% and the number has been growing over the years; I seriously doubt whatever the GOP morphs into, if it doesn't collapse into an irrelevant factor, will be something that will draw many of the new Independents back into the fold; Independents think freely and individually, something neither party particularly wants and most particularly not the GOP... But there may be a silver lining: once Trump is dumped, maybe the GOP can get back a few of the strays... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Polls? Did you bring up the subject of polls? Were the polls wrong November 2016? Yes they were, embarrassingly wrong Who would trust a poll? A left winger perhaps? If it were to his or her liking that is __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..