UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall

[Rockstar]

IMO this is one of those rare instance when someone who acted as Madsen has. Needs to be taken outback, his life ended, bagged and unceremoniously thrown in a shallow hole like trash and forgotten.

[Reece]

That sentence is a bit light don't you think?

[Onkel Neal]

He said he sailed around for a few hours, contemplating suicide, and then slept next to Wall’s body for two hours.

Cutting her up was not a big deal, as he already knew how to amputate limbs “to save lives.”

“I don’t see how that mattered at that time, as she was dead,” Madsen said with a small grin.

“I tried first with an arm, and that went very fast. . . . It went very fast, and I got her out of the submarine.”

I wonder how he can say this kind of thing and expect it to sound rational?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I wonder how he can say this kind of thing and expect it to sound rational?

Maybe that's the point? Not like he has a lot of options

[mapuc]

On daily bases there are issues on the tv about this case and there are lots of articles in our newspaper about this case.

In one of these issues and some article

Juridical expert said the prosecutor have a problem if they can't specific how KW died.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Juridical expert said the prosecutor have a problem if they can't specific how KW died.

Is there no rule/statute regarding 'beyond reasonable doubt' in Danish law then?

[Platapus]

If all the evidence is centered around how the body was disposed of, would it be a viable defense to admit to all the alleged handing of the body "Yes, I absolutely mishandled the dead body.", while still requiring the prosecution to prove that she was, in fact, murdered?

Is there any physical evidence that is separate from the evidence of the mishandling of the body that would indicate murder?

We can infer that she was murdered, but from a legal point of view, can the prosecution prove that she was murdered.. especially if the defendant admits to all the accusations of mishandling the body.

Would that work in a Danish court?

Even if it is a long shot, this guy does not have a lot to lose.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is there no rule/statute regarding 'beyond reasonable doubt' in Danish law then?

I searched this 'Without reasonable doubt' in Danish to find out how it is in Danish law.

As I understand it, without reasonable doubt, will benefit the accused.

The prosecutor can not yet prove the exact cause of death, and thus this 'Without reasonable doubt' will benefit PM

As I wrote to my friends on my FB-wall
We shall be prepared for a verdict that is low ,not a life sentence or custody.
This because the prosecutor can't find exact cause of death.
The only thing they have is his own confession for cutting her into pieces and for having breaking some rules at sea.
There is a possibility that they give him a life sentence after all.
It will be based on circumstantial evidence which are very strong in this case.

This is only my opinion based on the little knowledge I have about Danish and Swedish law.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I searched this 'Without reasonable doubt' in Danish to find out how it is in Danish law.

As I understand it, without reasonable doubt, will benefit the accused.

The prosecutor can not yet prove the exact cause of death, and thus this 'Without reasonable doubt' will benefit PM

As I wrote to my friends on my FB-wall
We shall be prepared for a verdict that is low ,not a life sentence or custody.
This because the prosecutor can't find exact cause of death.
The only thing they have is his own confession for cutting her into pieces and for having breaking some rules at sea.
There is a possibility that they give him a life sentence after all.
It will be based on circumstantial evidence which are very strong in this case.

This is only my opinion based on the little knowledge I have about Danish and Swedish law.

Markus

On the contrary Markus, beyond reasonable doubt actually benefits the judicial system because it is used as a fallback position when there is no concrete evidence and the judge or a jury will then decide if concrete evidence is actually needed.

In employment law here in the UK the test is 'balance of probabilities' which is slightly easier to base a judgement/decision on.

Taking an extreme example if I may.....a Brit goes to Denmark and murders somebody in a secluded area then cuts up the body and puts it through a mince meat machine then only admits to the latter part. I can't imagine the Danish judicial system being so stymied by such a scenario, surely.

[mapuc]

Went back to read more about this "'Without reasonable doubt" cause I got unsure if I had misread it yesterday

And it seems like I have misread it.
Jim was right I stand corrected.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Went back to read more about this "'Without reasonable doubt" cause I got unsure if I had misread it yesterday

And it seems like I have misread it.
Jim was right I stand corrected.

Markus

No problem Markus but I was beginning to wonder if Danish law made it a safe haven for some serious criminality.

[Onkel Neal]

So, no reports of the trial lately in the Danish press?

[mapuc]

Not so much.

The only new is he had a major setback.

The court refused to make another test of the sub, which PM demanded after explanation of how KW died.

Here is more about it(Danish) tried to find a English version of this.

http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2018-03-...vist-af-retten

Markus

[mapuc]

Latest

An expert on submarines have been called as a witness for the prosecutor

It is the 56-year-old captain Lieutenant Ditte Dyreborg. Who is considered to be one of Denmark's leading technical experts on submarines

She have also written a report

it is impossible to copy text from this news paper.





https://www.bt.dk/krimi/skal-vidne-i...erste-mareridt

The Headlines
Shall witness in court: She may become Peter Madsen's worst nightmare

Markus

[Jimbuna]

She may become Peter Madsen's worst nightmare

That may well turn out to be the case