The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

Originally Posted by Von Due

And don't even get me started on Jihad and what that means. Did you know there are several points to describe Jihad and only one of them are about "holy war". As a well read individual I am certain you can lecture us all about all points which total up to what Jihad is.

I didn't even mention Jihad, not once.
Are you leading phantom-debates now because you have no point?

Read. The. Book.

[Von Due]

There are no phantom anything here. The issues are: Tolerance vs intolerance, to which I have said my piece a number of times now, traditions and what traditions, to which I have said my piece a number of times now, misinformation in the news and elsewhere, I happened tto pick this jihad thing, to which I have said my piece a number of times now. One more issue is what is Islam and how does terrorism fit into the religion, to which I and history have said our pieces a number of times.

You will not find a simpleton's one-liner substitute for the issues we all are facing here. This is not a "Islam vs the World, end of story" debate, no, not all muslims share every idea of what Islam is about, no, not every muslim is rooting for terrorists, there are more issues here, and older ones too, than mere religion. There are much younger issues here as well, than mere religion.

Religion does play a part but it is not the only part.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by August

The right side can be checked for truth. The left side could show us easily 12 women from Saudi Arabia.
Is the Saudi woman missing, because we shall not be reminded, our fine ally enforces this dress too?
Or is it traditional over there?

Just asking...

'Tolerance'
I see, you haven't read a single page of this book.
"not all muslims share every idea of what Islam is about"

Islam, defined by the Quran, which is infallible, doesn't care about how anyone sees Islam, or wants to see it.
The Quran is Islam. And you are only a muslim if you follow it.

While I hate repeating myself:
Read. The. Book.

You can share your "pieces" as much as you want, it doesn't matter when you don't even understand the basics of this totalitarian ideology that is on its way to conquer Europe bomb by bomb... or truck by truck.

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

'Tolerance'
I see, you haven't read a single page of this book.
"not all muslims share every idea of what Islam is about"

Islam, defined by the Quran, which is infallible, doesn't care about how anyone sees Islam, or wants to see it.
The Quran is Islam. And you are only a muslim if you follow it.

While I hate repeating myself:
Read. The. Book.

You can share your "pieces" as much as you want, it doesn't matter when you don't even understand the basics of this totalitarian ideology that is on its way to conquer Europe bomb by bomb... or truck by truck.

Islam is defined by the Quran exactly the same way every other religion is defined by their holy text. Riddle me this: Why do Sunnis and Shias worship differently, with different rituals and all? They share the same religion but they do not read the same book the same way. Riddle me this: In some muslim countries, women have to wear burkhas. In other they don't. In some they have to wear hijab, in others, they don't. They read the same book and get the same "commands".

It is how we humans read and interpret these books, all of these books, that makes what is a practiced religion.

You keep clinging to your world of simple one-liners and I am trying to explain that it is not among one-liners you will find the solutions. It is not a black and white world we live in, it is not 2 dimensional populated by cardboard figures made on order. This is a fully fledged 3D world with more dimensions to these problems than just "it's Islam".

Originally Posted by Von Due

Islam is defined by the Quran exactly the same way every other religion is defined by their holy text. Riddle me this: Why do Sunnis and Shias worship differently, with different rituals and all? They share the same religion but they do not read the same book the same way. Riddle me this: In some muslim countries, women have to wear burkhas. In other they don't. In some they have to wear hijab, in others, they don't. They read the same book and get the same "commands".

It is how we humans read and interpret these books, all of these books, that makes what is a practiced religion.

You keep clinging to your world of simple one-liners and I am trying to explain that it is not among one-liners you will find the solutions. It is not a black and white world we live in, it is not 2 dimensional populated by cardboard figures made on order. This is a fully fledged 3D world with more dimensions to these problems than just "it's Islam".

You just don't get it.
The world isn't black and white, no way Sherlock?
However, Islam is. It is the simplest thing. Follow, or don't follow.

How in seven Hells can people speak of 'tolerance' when they talk about an ideology that commands its people to murder, to lie, to deceive and to conquer?

"Muh but Christianity!!!1"
Yes, but unlike Islam, even this crap-ideology evolved somewhat, because it realized it had to (surely not out of courtesy).
Islam however... there is but one way in Islam.
Translate Islam and you get the answer.


What a waste of time.

[Von Due]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

You just don't get it.
The world isn't black and white, no way Sherlock?
However, Islam is. It is the simplest thing. Follow, or don't follow.

How in seven Hells can people speak of 'tolerance' when they talk about an ideology that commands its people to murder, to lie, to deceive and to conquer?

"Muh but Christianity!!!1"
Yes, but unlike Islam, even this crap-ideology evolved somewhat, because it realized it had to (surely not out of courtesy).
Islam however... there is but one way in Islam.
Translate Islam and you get the answer.


What a waste of time.

The fact is there are more than a billion muslims worldwide. We do not have a billion terrorists running around killing infidels left and right. ISIS has an estimated crowd of some 30,000+. 30,000+ out of more than a billion. Numbers tell me they do not represent Islam despite the claim by their leader and their followers. More than a billion believers and how many of them have committed murder in the name of religion? Nowhere near a billion I can tell you that. These non-murdering muslims are not single, isolated cases. They are the majority. By definition not single, isolated cases. How does the majority fit into your narrative of muslims being murderous? How does that fit into your narrative of their religion telling them to go out and commit murder? They simply do not and it doesn't take a PhD to get that fact straight,

Originally Posted by Von Due

The fact is there are more than a billion muslims worldwide. We do not have a billion terrorists running around killing infidels left and right.

*sigh*
If I'd get a dollar each time I have to hear this empty catchphrase.
"Radical Islam" doesn't start with beheadings and bombings - by definition (from intelligence agencies world wide), it starts with the acceptance of Shariah law. And according to multiple sources (who are all automatically wrong and liars, of course, don't waste your time) hundreds of millions of muslims want that/would support that.

Until someone can proof these numbers wrong, I have no reason not to be on my toes. And what a coincidence, just yesterday my country was attacked - though the outcome was rather lucky, it seems.

Oh and closing, you mentioned they don't behead people left and right.

 

WELL IT SEEMS THEY ARE ON A GOOD WAY AREN'T THEY?

Oberon said the same nonsense a while ago, ignoring that people in his country are indeed getting beheaded.
It happened, it will happen again, it will happen more frequently.
But Islam isn't the problem - we are.

I'm just some hopeless Islamophobe who has no reason whatsoever to despise Islam and feel alarmed, don't mind me.

/END OF WATCH

[Mittelwaechter]

Brilliant! Finally the ultimate justification to attack any Muslim.
Each and everyone considering himself/herself a Muslim is evil by default.

Well, at least it seems to be on a balanced niveau with fanatic Muslims, justifying to attack any non-believer.


Damn, I have to relive my life again and treat my Muslim workers, colleagues and friends right.

[Mittelwaechter]

Originally Posted by August

Let's have a google image search for the left statement:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch India
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Bosnia
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Iraq
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Afghanistan

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Syria
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch UA Emirates
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Yemen
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Egypt

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Pakistan
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Iran
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Somalia
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch Malaysia

And this shows up for Saudi Arabia - our ally - and surprisingly missing on this educative collection, reassuring our perception and motivation:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wo...gbv=1&tbm=isch

[August]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Let's have a google image search for the left statement:

Do a better google search. Your India link for example show mostly Hindi women.

[Mittelwaechter]

The links show the first Google image page for the nations you have provided.

I don't write Google's algorithms. They pretend to show the most relevant results first...

India muslim women:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=in...gbv=1&tbm=isch

Indian muslim women:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=in...gbv=1&tbm=isch



Provide a better, less misleading information yourself.

It is not personal, August. No offense intended.
You just provided a perfect demonstration of perception control, creating reality and motivation.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by August

I think I've brought this up before. Back in the day women dressed like those on the right, beautiful. Historically the only women who routinely covered themselves to conceal their indentity during business hours back then were the local prostitutes. Why or how the muslim religion came to expect their women to dress that way is beyond me.

[Skybird]

Growing doubt on the identity of the "Afghan attacker in Germany. Instead police now strongly assumes he was indeed Pakistani.

His victims were a family - from Hongkong.

[Mittelwaechter]

Noooo! His victim was Germany! He's a Muslim terrorist attacking our lifestyle...


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