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Old 11-14-18, 12:12 PM   #8551
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They cannot have both, staying with the UK and staying with the EU.
Did anyone tell them?
"Wenn das der Führer wüsste."
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Old 11-14-18, 02:37 PM   #8552
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I'm getting a feeling that May is realising that she is toast. Think this "deal" will not pass, not in HoC, and probably not in cabinet as well. My expectations are currently shifting fast towards snap elections.



They explained some details of it on main news his evening. The Brits would have lost all their marbles if accepting this. As a German commentator put it 20 minutes ago in the Tagesschau: "The EU left the British with only this choice: either a future very close to the EU, or an exit with chaos." And as I said from all beginning on: this was always all the EU ever was about. No mutual success, but either EU domination: or punishment of the UK. You do not turn your back on the wonderful EU without getting retaliated against, for revenge. Hurt narcissism and all that. Roots very deep in human psyche.


From a British point of view as I would define it, this "deal" is absolutely unacceptable.

Finally, time to let go all illusions. This was forseeable.
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And wile I wrote the above, news come sin the cabinet passed it. And not a single resignation (today). I am surprised.


I am still absolutely sceptical about the HoC tomorrow.


I wonder how much personal career preservation was behind the ministers' decision as their motive.
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And correction again: now the news says "several" ministers plan their resignation in protest. (Johnson Little already did earlier last week).
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And wile I wrote the above, news come sin the cabinet passed it. And not a single resignation (today). I am surprised.
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The House probably does.
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Reuters and Sky News report that "up to 10" ministers voted against the "deal" and may retreat in the near future. The cabinet has 20 ministers.

10 of 20. Victory looks different, imo.
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Forget my third prediction that was a long shot if it took place today. So I was right, PM May is still here and not one cabinet minister stepped down.



So the PM got it though with the cabinet and its reported around 10 of them very upset.


So the next 24 hours will be the big test, will those letters go in calling for May to go? Will any heavy weight cabinet ministers resign? That aside it looks like the deal is going to fail getting passed and no doubt Labour will call for a general election.


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DUP leader makes May aware of concerns in a 'frank' meeting
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I would say there is 75% chance they will not vote for it.
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No jim...
Jim must have hit the bottle.
Jim will be back tomorrow posting his farewell as he sets out for Mexico.
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CRUNCH DAY FOR MAY

The news so far..
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  • Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey has also quit
  • Earlier, Junior Northern Ireland minister, Shailesh Vara, resigned in protest at the deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-46200010

Raab is the first big beast to go!

McVey light weight minister but a damming resignation letter!
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Penny Mordaunt could be next but she is lightweight minister.

It will take the home and foreign office ministers to cause damage.

Smart money is on staying in the EU once May fails to get it though the HoC.
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Anne-Marie Trevelyan has quit as a parliamentary private secretary...
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Forget my third prediction that was a long shot if it took place today. So I was right, PM May is still here and not one cabinet minister stepped down.



So the PM got it though with the cabinet and its reported around 10 of them very upset.


So the next 24 hours will be the big test, will those letters go in calling for May to go? Will any heavy weight cabinet ministers resign? That aside it looks like the deal is going to fail getting passed and no doubt Labour will call for a general election.


One of my main concerns is that this situation could well be paving an easy route into No10 for Jeremy.
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Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey has also quit
Earlier, Junior Northern Ireland minister, Shailesh Vara, resigned in protest at the deal
Chequers all over again but this time easily predictable.
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