US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In Sweden two consenting adults cannot even have sex anymore without formalising their mutual agreement in any form. They even have an app for it now, recording the spoken "Yes" by both partners. Before, and maybe still so, I am not certain, a woman who claims after intercourse that she did not feel well with the event afterwards, could use that as a legal basis to sue the male partzner over rape allegations. Just "because she did not feel well". The claim is treated by Swedish law as a proof for the guild of the man (I think it does not work the other way around, the man cannot claim to have been raped if he feels bad after sex) - it is him needing to prove his innocence now, he is no longer assumed to be innocent until his guilt has been proven.

Oh BS. Two consenting adults can continue to have sex just the same as before the law (which made it rape if both parties didn't consent verbally or physically), and the burden of proof remains on the prosecution.



Did you not, at any point writing that, stop and think "Holy crap, this is so stupid it can't be real"?

[skidman]

Did you not, at any point writing that, stop and think "Holy crap, this is so stupid it can't be real"?

*sigh* Unfortunately he never does.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Oh BS. Two consenting adults can continue to have sex just the same as before the law (which made it rape if both parties didn't consent verbally or physically), and the burden of proof remains on the prosecution.



Did you not, at any point writing that, stop and think "Holy crap, this is so stupid it can't be real"?

When I hear a Swedish journalist and an inernational criminal law expert discussing it and they describe things like I repeated it, then I am not in the seat to claim that they must be wrong becasue I think the Swedish habits seem to be a bit - well, however you call them. after all, this is the country that was the first to ban cash money, that has companies whose employees are n ot feelign alarmed baout getting chipped for profane reasons, that protects its Jewish minority from muslim mobbing by telling Jews to not behave Jewish in public since that would be a provocation to Muslims, that acts openly hostile and underhanded to Israel, and that tells its native citizens the country does not belong to them but belongs to those foreigners that will come to Sweden in the future. Its a country that boasts quite stupidly to run the first "feminst" foreign policy, whatever that should be, and that completely ducks away from the Muslim riots and destruction of state sovereignty and rule of law in certain now famous regions and city districts.




No, too impressed I am not. Plus i dislike Swedish TV crime movies with their omnipresent social and moral lecturing, I do not like neither Abba nor Ikea, I would not volunteer to let every stranger in the world know about my financial income situation like it is mandatory in Sweden, and their apparent preference for cold colours with overdoses of blue subtones, appearing cold and cool to my eyes, is not my thing, too; and lastly the Swedish language import of using the "Du" even towards complete strangers where the "Sie" would be demanded in German social codex is somethign i do not take friendly either. By German standards of social behaviour, its "prollig".


I think Sweden will not see me as a visitor any time soon.



BTW, the absurd law situation was deswcribed already at the time whe assange fell victim to this obvious plot. It was then when for the first time ever Western media - a few of them at least - pointed finger at the absurd laws and the implicaitons that they could trigger. And back then they still were not as detoriated as they are now.





But I like the Gripen, and the CV-series of IFVs. Very.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Plus i dislike Swedish TV crime movies with their omnipresent social and moral lecturing

Don't try watching "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" on US TV.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When I hear a Swedish journalist and an inernational criminal law expert discussing it and they describe things like I repeated it, then I am not in the seat to claim that they must be wrong becasue I think the Swedish habits seem to be a bit - well, however you call them. after all, this is the country that was the first to ban cash money, that has companies whose employees are n ot feelign alarmed baout getting chipped for profane reasons, that protects its Jewish minority from muslim mobbing by telling Jews to not behave Jewish in public since that would be a provocation to Muslims, that acts openly hostile and underhanded to Israel, and that tells its native citizens the country does not belong to them but belongs to those foreigners that will come to Sweden in the future. Its a country that boasts quite stupidly to run the first "feminst" foreign policy, whatever that should be, and that completely ducks away from the Muslim riots and destruction of state sovereignty and rule of law in certain now famous regions and city districts.




No, too impressed I am not. Plus i dislike Swedish TV crime movies with their omnipresent social and moral lecturing, I do not like neither Abba nor Ikea, I would not volunteer to let every stranger in the world know about my financial income situation like it is mandatory in Sweden, and their apparent preference for cold colours with overdoses of blue subtones, appearing cold and cool to my eyes, is not my thing, too; and lastly the Swedish language import of using the "Du" even towards complete strangers where the "Sie" would be demanded in German social codex is somethign i do not take friendly either. By German standards of social behaviour, its "prollig".


I think Sweden will not see me as a visitor any time soon.



BTW, the absurd law situation was deswcribed already at the time whe assange fell victim to this obvious plot. It was then when for the first time ever Western media - a few of them at least - pointed finger at the absurd laws and the implicaitons that they could trigger. And back then they still were not as detoriated as they are now.





But I like the Gripen, and the CV-series of IFVs. Very.

I checked the thread title twice and yes it did say, "US Politics Thread"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I checked the thread title twice and yes it did say, "US Politics Thread"

And yet you literally liked it earlier when he put down "normal German blockheads".

The impression I got from his post was that things have gotten worse in so-called "Liberal" countries, and he sees the US trying to go the same way. I would think you'd be agreeing, on that one point, anyway.

[Catfish]

I remember a comment of Trump about Sweden, and that they had a problem. Fox News and Breitbart made it into that conditions there were inhuman, it was full of terrorists and Islam would soon be the state religion. You know those baby-killers, terrorists, mexican rapists and all that Sweden is so well-known for, worldwide.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cr...apital-europe/

I guess Trump's endless repeatings and rants begin to show some impact on the minds of some. And so the post has something to do with US politics, after all. (sigh)

[Skybird]

Sweden'S problems with its Muslim colony building and rioting is lastign since many years by now, Trump has nothing to do with it. He just parrotted some headlines he picked up somewhere. Especially Malmö gets mentioned time and again, since a decade or longer, and i recall to have posted links to newspaper reports about the situation there already short after the war 2003. Since then things have become much worse. And statistics show that rape crimes have increased by severla factors, so has antimsemitic violence and the spreading of Sharia law.



Sweden has a massive Islam problem, whether their totally nuts super-moralising government admits that or not. It already is where Gemany aims to be. Feminism and socialist pacifism are no capable opponents to Islam that coukld hope to bring it to a halt.

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. - Karl Popper

And I am not even a fan of this extreme left chatterbox from the deepest dungeons of the ivory tower. But sometimes he just is right.

[Chris K]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I checked the thread title twice and yes it did say, "US Politics Thread"

I checked too.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When I hear a Swedish journalist and an inernational criminal law expert discussing it and they describe things like I repeated it, then I am not in the seat to claim that they must be wrong becasue I think the Swedish habits seem to be a bit - well, however you call them.

Swedish 'rape laws' were updated to similar standards as in for example Germany (AFAIK) i.e. rape does not need violence or threat of violence to happen for it to be rape, lack of consent is enough. That is all it is.

[Jimbuna]

Turkey are starting to take retaliatory measures against the US sanctions but I doubt it will make any difference.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45179673

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Turkey are starting to take retaliatory measures against the US sanctions but I doubt it will make any difference.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45179673

A reflex tremor in a dead frog's leg.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Swedish 'rape laws' were updated to similar standards as in for example Germany (AFAIK) i.e. rape does not need violence or threat of violence to happen for it to be rape, lack of consent is enough. That is all it is.

No. But anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A reflex tremor in a dead frog's leg.

Yeah, something like that

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And yet you literally liked it earlier when he put down "normal German blockheads".

The impression I got from his post was that things have gotten worse in so-called "Liberal" countries, and he sees the US trying to go the same way. I would think you'd be agreeing, on that one point, anyway.

Good ole picky Steve at least we know you read it all ... my point in liking the quote I posted by Sky was simply this I found it a bit of humor for one German to laugh at another German