Malaysia airlines B777 missing

Oberon · 03-07-14, 07:38 PM

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MEDIA STATEMENT released at 7.24am/8 Mar 2014 MH370 Incident

Sepang, 8 March 2014: Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 has lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today (8 March 2014).

Flight MH370, operated on the B777-200 aircraft, departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41am on 8 March 2014. MH370 was expected to land in Beijing at 6.30am the same day. The flight was carrying a total number of 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members.

Malaysia Airlines is currently working with the authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft.

Let's hope it's a maintenence fault that's caused loss of communication...but it doesn't look promising.

CCIP · 03-07-14, 08:10 PM

Hoping for the best!

Here is the flightaware log for this flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370

Oberon · 03-07-14, 08:17 PM

Looks like the track ends over land, that increases the chance of finding something, even if it's just...well...

CCIP · 03-07-14, 08:30 PM

Yeah, and it also ends right at cruise level (where the plane just got) and full speed, so whatever it was, it seems rather sudden.

krashkart · 03-07-14, 08:37 PM

No bueno.

CCIP · 03-07-14, 08:51 PM

Also worth pointing that this plane can't simply "disappear" because of a small fault. No ADS-B, no SSR, no ACARS, no radio comms - slim chances all of those would go off from a maintenance fault (even a major one) without alarm immediately being raised, and it should've been also on radar where it was.

CCIP · 03-07-14, 09:03 PM

Updates from the airline: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html

The most recent update effectively confirms that the aircraft went down

krashkart · 03-07-14, 09:26 PM

No bueno.

swamprat69er · 03-07-14, 09:51 PM

Not good at all.

CCIP · 03-07-14, 09:53 PM

meanwhile, the BBC has a terrible taste in choosing their front page ads

fireftr18 · 03-07-14, 09:55 PM

Prayers for the families.

Oberon · 03-07-14, 10:00 PM

Dang, and at cruising altitude it does not bode well for survivors, not that miracles don't happen, but the odds are against it.
It'll be the first 777 to be lost whilst at altitude, the other hull-loss incidents have all been on landing or on the ground. If there was no indication of trouble before loss of contact then it must have been a massive structural failure...deliberate or otherwise.

Unfortunately Flightradar24s coverage has the aircraft contact lost half-way between Malaysia and Vietnam, in the sea:

There should be a press conference shortly.

GoldenRivet · 03-07-14, 10:07 PM

for starters, as great as flight aware is, its not always that accurate. I have reviewed flights of my own that have suddenly zigged out into then ext state when i canceled IFR or flight following. Other times i have seen places where my route just completely stopped tracking (usually with a change from one ARTCC to another ARTCC while en route) giving the appearance that my flight vanished at cruise altitude.

I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that just because the flightaware.com route ends at a specific point that this is an accurate indication as to where the aircraft went down.

We can observe one thing though, it theoretically reached cruise altitude.

In that region of the world i would assume volcanic ash to be a culprit if there was recent volcanic activity (speedbird 9 anybody?)

another culprit, especially in the 200 series would be the un-commanded turbine rollback. however its unlikely as it should have been fixed through service bullitins and Airworthiness Directives requiring installation of fuel pump heaters if i remember correctly.

Super cooled water/ice formation which overwhelmed the aircraft's anti-ice de-ice systems a la Air France a few years ago could be to blame.

or an act of terrorism is always to be considered.

that said, it is rare that a plane crashes in the cruise phase of flight unless some sort of mid-air collision or major mechanical malfunction takes place. As these crashes tend to occur during takeoff or approach/ landing.

Im sure updates will begin to stream in soon as search efforts proceed.

03-07-14, 10:10 PM

We probably all know where it is. We just don't want to be the one to say it first.

GoldenRivet · 03-07-14, 10:12 PM

with luck, they encountered volcanic ash which overwhelmed the engines and they ditched intact and we get a "miracle on the hudson" event

03-07-14, 08:10 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Hoping for the best! Here is the flightaware log for this flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370 __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-07-14, 08:30 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yeah, and it also ends right at cruise level (where the plane just got) and full speed, so whatever it was, it seems rather sudden. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-07-14, 08:51 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Also worth pointing that this plane can't simply "disappear" because of a small fault. No ADS-B, no SSR, no ACARS, no radio comms - slim chances all of those would go off from a maintenance fault (even a major one) without alarm immediately being raised, and it should've been also on radar where it was. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-07-14, 09:03 PM	#7
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Updates from the airline: http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/e...dark-site.html The most recent update effectively confirms that the aircraft went down __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-07-14, 09:51 PM	#9
swamprat69er Aceydeucy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 1,889 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Not good at all. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That which does not kill us, makes us stronger. We the willing, led by the unsure, have done so much with so little, for so long, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

03-07-14, 08:17 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Looks like the track ends over land, that increases the chance of finding something, even if it's just...well...

03-07-14, 08:37 PM	#5
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	No bueno.

03-07-14, 09:26 PM	#8
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	No bueno.

03-07-14, 09:53 PM	#10
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	meanwhile, the BBC has a terrible taste in choosing their front page ads __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-07-14, 09:55 PM	#11
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,526 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Prayers for the families. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

03-07-14, 10:00 PM	#12
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Dang, and at cruising altitude it does not bode well for survivors, not that miracles don't happen, but the odds are against it. It'll be the first 777 to be lost whilst at altitude, the other hull-loss incidents have all been on landing or on the ground. If there was no indication of trouble before loss of contact then it must have been a massive structural failure...deliberate or otherwise. Unfortunately Flightradar24s coverage has the aircraft contact lost half-way between Malaysia and Vietnam, in the sea: There should be a press conference shortly.

03-07-14, 10:07 PM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	for starters, as great as flight aware is, its not always that accurate. I have reviewed flights of my own that have suddenly zigged out into then ext state when i canceled IFR or flight following. Other times i have seen places where my route just completely stopped tracking (usually with a change from one ARTCC to another ARTCC while en route) giving the appearance that my flight vanished at cruise altitude. I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that just because the flightaware.com route ends at a specific point that this is an accurate indication as to where the aircraft went down. We can observe one thing though, it theoretically reached cruise altitude. In that region of the world i would assume volcanic ash to be a culprit if there was recent volcanic activity (speedbird 9 anybody?) another culprit, especially in the 200 series would be the un-commanded turbine rollback. however its unlikely as it should have been fixed through service bullitins and Airworthiness Directives requiring installation of fuel pump heaters if i remember correctly. Super cooled water/ice formation which overwhelmed the aircraft's anti-ice de-ice systems a la Air France a few years ago could be to blame. or an act of terrorism is always to be considered. that said, it is rare that a plane crashes in the cruise phase of flight unless some sort of mid-air collision or major mechanical malfunction takes place. As these crashes tend to occur during takeoff or approach/ landing. Im sure updates will begin to stream in soon as search efforts proceed. __________________

03-07-14, 10:10 PM	#14
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	We probably all know where it is. We just don't want to be the one to say it first.

03-07-14, 10:12 PM	#15
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,712 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	with luck, they encountered volcanic ash which overwhelmed the engines and they ditched intact and we get a "miracle on the hudson" event __________________