[WIP] TMO: Nine Delta Two - Page 25

02-26-18, 04:57 AM

OK...
I guess I released the pack in an unfinished and experimental (alpha) state in my mania.

Therefore, for the time being, all dll on my part will be removed.

So then on the troubleshooting - under certain circumstances, I have to take the pack apart again and sugsessiv put together again.

@Geoff then
Since I only played short the original of Ducimus, I would need some information from you because of your experience.
1. Was the ctd problem of the campaign permanently remedied by the fix of KaleunZippel?
2. Was the problem with the engine telegraph Ducimus version already on?

Geoff then · 02-26-18, 09:18 AM

@propbeanie: I always start in bordeaux okt. 1942 and get these ctds either while passing spain or the african coast (always when I got in range of some bugged shipping I presume).
@bleiente: I did not finish the whole campaign, but I got from 42 to mid 44 and after the fix I never had any crashes, so I presume, the bug has been permanently fixed. Only mistakes I came across were that the ambient sounds can get stuck when they overlap with another sound or sth. (this happened to me only twice on my 4 pretty long patrols) and sometimes some ships seemed to be very low in the water, especially escorts. The enigne telegraph worked in his version.
I will look into the campaign '44-'45 again to see if anything goes wrong there.
And thank you once again for dealing with this mod. I think with the enhanced sound and graphics you already implemented plus some adjustments to the physics and this mod has the potential to be a BOMB!

Edit: Guess the fix from your pack did not work for me because i did not do the manual part, which is deleting all KSS and KSQ.cfg files from every folder.

propbeanie · 02-28-18, 01:54 AM

OK, I did the same start a few times now, and twice I have CTD'd just after going around the upper "ear" of Spain. I did an SH Validator run on the mod, and it shows this:

Classes errors:
1. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Air\ASW_RNTBF\ASW_RNTBF.eqp does not contain sequentially
ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 6]) @ line number 24
2. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\Float_Plane_H6K\Float_Pla ne_H6K.eqp doesn't exist!
3. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NBB_Nagato\NBB_Nagato.eqp does not contain sequentially
ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 48]) @ line number 289
4. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NCA_London\NCA_London.eqp does not contain sequentially
ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 42]) @ line number 253
5. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NDD_Clemson\NDD_Clemson.e qp does not contain sequentially
ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 20]) @ line number 127
6. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NKSQ_\NKSQ_.eqp doesn't exist!
7. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NOM_Paula\NOM_Paula.eqp doesn't exist!

Since I crashed in just about the same exact location two times in a row, I suspect a "bad" vessel (air or sea). I didn't dig very deep into what can be encountered there just Northwest of the Spanish coast, but some of the Lant_Single_Merchants and the Lant_Convoys RGG go by there. I didn't check too many other layers.

03-01-18, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoff then

Er scheint auch schwierigkeiten beim aktivieren zu haben. Er sagt nach kurzer Zeit "Keine Rückmeldung". Ich glaube, bei allen anderen Mods war das nicht der fall.
Ich weiß nicht genau wie dieser jsgme arbeitet, aber hat es evtl mit dem Ordnernamen zu tun?

Du hattest leider recht - der JSGME hat tatsächlich Schwierigkeiten, das Paket im Ganzen zu laden; dies führt natürlich zu gänzlich verfälschten Resultaten sowie häßlichen Fehlern.

Die nächste Beta werde ich also für den JSGME splitten, wenn dann bei meiner Probefahrt alles glatt läuft.

Edit: Entferne mal bitte den alten DLL aus Deinem Zitat auf der Vorseite...

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

OK, I did the same start a few times now, and twice I have CTD'd just after going around the upper "ear" of Spain. I did an SH Validator run on the mod...

I also have to get this tool, it should actually simplify the work.

Geoff then · 03-01-18, 03:23 PM

Erledigt

@beanie: have you tried it again after deleting all those kss and ksq files? I haven't found time yet, quite busy week

propbeanie · 03-01-18, 05:35 PM

No, I haven't had time yet, but after I do a few tests in the Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate mod, I'll give 9Delta2 another go-round and get back with you guys!

Edit 02/03/18 1445: OK, I am around the corner, and frustrated...

- I've tweaked the eqp files, but those probably weren't it. All those "errors" in the Validator program are showing is that equipment is called for, but it's not in the DAT file. Said platforms were not encountered. However, after deleting the KSS and KCS references, I made it around the corner to encounter this fine specimen:

besides bristling with guns, there is a couple of holes in the stack...

Four torpedoes later from right at 1200m, and "Torpedo is a dud sir", "Torpedo is a dud sir", "Boom!", "Torpedo missed, sir."... Several minutes later, we have this:

... still doing 9 knots and zig-zagging...

Of note: 1. Cannot get to periscope depth from the short-cut key. They will call it out, but it never happens. I have to hit the "D" key and / or set it by clicking on the depth gauge. No biggie. Just be aware of it. Similarly, the speed telegraph doesn't function as inteneded, and all the higher you can get on it is Ahead Standard to display. The boat does seem to do the speeds "telegraphed" with the 4 & 5 keystrokes or clicked with the mouse, but the speed-set display doesn't change. 3. In 1942, is that more of a US torpedo issue than a German, by then? Impact triggers, btw. There's something that I'm forgetting...

Edi-editt: Now I remember... torpedo trails... I was using electrics. That is what was on my boat. I could not see any "trail" in the water from them, but the ship started avoidance almost immediately, like they were compressed air torps that had flags on them...

03-03-18, 12:51 AM

Ok - I solved the problem with "KSS" and "KSQ".
It simply missed the right files in the Sea folder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Of note: 1. Cannot get to periscope depth from the short-cut key. They will call it out, but it never happens. I have to hit the "D" key and / or set it by clicking on the depth gauge. No biggie. Just be aware of it.

I do not know what it's all about yet. Seems to be a problem with the model - had read similar to OM...

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Similarly, the speed telegraph doesn't function as inteneded, and all the higher you can get on it is Ahead Standard to display. The boat does seem to do the speeds "telegraphed" with the 4 & 5 keystrokes or clicked with the mouse, but the speed-set display doesn't change.

I corrected...

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Now I remember... torpedo trails... I was using electrics. That is what was on my boat. I could not see any "trail" in the water from them, but the ship started avoidance almost immediately, like they were compressed air torps that had flags on them...

Damn - what's that again?

I hope I can post a new beta version today or tomorrow.
Smaller bugs could then be fixed for the time being with patches...

Have a bit screwed on the graphics...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleiente

Press the buzzer...

propbeanie · 03-03-18, 01:06 AM

We are looking forward to another version to test. I'm not sure if there is a fix for the merchants being able to see the electric torpedoes as easily as the compressed air ones. I don't have a clue about that kind of stuff - whether to look at the torpedo itself, or the AI_Visual, or what...

Geoff then · 03-03-18, 03:21 PM

Those graphics look tremendous! Very nice colors.
I'm totally up for some testing!

@beanie: that ship you've hit, it reminds me of the "error" I also found in the original mod. Like the ships are very deep in the water, but that seems not to affect the performance in any way. I sometimes saw some escorts speeding upon me with a slightly submerged aft deck for no reason, still fully operational. Might be the same issue with your freighter...

propbeanie · 03-03-18, 04:23 PM

Naw, she was fine in the water when I first saw her. That was one torpedo hit that put her foredeck under a pinch. Sure didn't slow her down, or reduce her turning radius though... Sometimes, what I call "bad spawns" can cause a ship to sit too low in the water, and there can be all sorts of reasons for bad spawns, such as spawning into another ship, or hitting a dock when spawning, not enough room in the area that a group spawns, etc.

03-08-18, 12:38 PM

Did you already notice that I have a different understanding of time than you...

So - now the 2nd beta version of Nine_Delta_Two REVISED:
-delete-

Since the first version had problems loading it with the JSGME, this time I split the files - the installation was supposed to be self-explanatory.

Very important - please use a completely new installation of SH4 V1.5 (UBM) including new SH4 folder under "My Documents".

I did not settle any credits this time. Let me forgive, I will make up for it in the next version.
Maybe everything will change radically again...

Here are some pictures from the test drive:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleiente

Impressions...

Geoff then · 03-09-18, 09:37 AM

Went out on my first patrol. Found a convoi ca. 350km west of Vigo. Nighttime, rough weather, missed a liberty at long range, sank a t3 tanker at medium range, crash dived to 175m (escorts already had my number), got depth charged for a few min, then they lost me again. AI seems to work like it should, physics are very nice and make you even more of a sitting duck, which is great IMO. Graphics are fine. Crash dive sound still seems to be played twice in an overlapping manner. Will continue the patrol later on, lets see what happens next.

Edit: The tanker immediately split in half on the first hit. While this happenend the rest of the convoi kept their course and speed (they were at 5kn anyway) and they started zig zag stuff only after the escorts found me. Is that normal behaviour?

03-10-18, 02:26 PM

Damn - the version is flawed.
I do not know how that could happen ... I'm really angry.

propbeanie · 03-10-18, 03:39 PM

Bleiente, if you knew how many times we blew stuff in FotRSU, it'd scare you - or else make you laugh out loud until your lungs hurt...

- you are doing fine, lad!

03-22-18, 02:22 PM

"Na Männer - alles klar!?!"

Es wird eine neue Beta geben, falls es überhaupt noch jemanden interessiert...

02-26-18, 04:57 AM	#361
Bleiente Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	OK... I guess I released the pack in an unfinished and experimental (alpha) state in my mania. Therefore, for the time being, all dll on my part will be removed. So then on the troubleshooting - under certain circumstances, I have to take the pack apart again and sugsessiv put together again. @Geoff then Since I only played short the original of Ducimus, I would need some information from you because of your experience. 1. Was the ctd problem of the campaign permanently remedied by the fix of KaleunZippel? 2. Was the problem with the engine telegraph Ducimus version already on? Last edited by Bleiente; 02-26-18 at 05:38 AM.

02-26-18, 09:18 AM	#362
Geoff then Gunner Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Kiel, Germany Posts: 96 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	@propbeanie: I always start in bordeaux okt. 1942 and get these ctds either while passing spain or the african coast (always when I got in range of some bugged shipping I presume). @bleiente: I did not finish the whole campaign, but I got from 42 to mid 44 and after the fix I never had any crashes, so I presume, the bug has been permanently fixed. Only mistakes I came across were that the ambient sounds can get stuck when they overlap with another sound or sth. (this happened to me only twice on my 4 pretty long patrols) and sometimes some ships seemed to be very low in the water, especially escorts. The enigne telegraph worked in his version. I will look into the campaign '44-'45 again to see if anything goes wrong there. And thank you once again for dealing with this mod. I think with the enhanced sound and graphics you already implemented plus some adjustments to the physics and this mod has the potential to be a BOMB! Edit: Guess the fix from your pack did not work for me because i did not do the manual part, which is deleting all KSS and KSQ.cfg files from every folder. __________________ "Natürlich ist das 'n Weihnachtsbaum, oder meinste, damit wird die Brücke getarnt, oder was?" Last edited by Geoff then; 02-26-18 at 09:34 AM.

02-28-18, 01:54 AM	#363
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	OK, I did the same start a few times now, and twice I have CTD'd just after going around the upper "ear" of Spain. I did an SH Validator run on the mod, and it shows this: Classes errors: 1. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Air\ASW_RNTBF\ASW_RNTBF.eqp does not contain sequentially ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 6]) @ line number 24 2. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\Float_Plane_H6K\Float_Pla ne_H6K.eqp doesn't exist! 3. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NBB_Nagato\NBB_Nagato.eqp does not contain sequentially ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 48]) @ line number 289 4. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NCA_London\NCA_London.eqp does not contain sequentially ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 42]) @ line number 253 5. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NDD_Clemson\NDD_Clemson.e qp does not contain sequentially ordered entries (found duplicate [Equipment 20]) @ line number 127 6. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NKSQ_\NKSQ_.eqp doesn't exist! 7. F:\Games\SH49D2\data\Sea\NOM_Paula\NOM_Paula.eqp doesn't exist! Since I crashed in just about the same exact location two times in a row, I suspect a "bad" vessel (air or sea). I didn't dig very deep into what can be encountered there just Northwest of the Spanish coast, but some of the Lant_Single_Merchants and the Lant_Convoys RGG go by there. I didn't check too many other layers. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

03-01-18, 03:23 PM	#365
Geoff then Gunner Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Kiel, Germany Posts: 96 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Erledigt @beanie: have you tried it again after deleting all those kss and ksq files? I haven't found time yet, quite busy week __________________ "Natürlich ist das 'n Weihnachtsbaum, oder meinste, damit wird die Brücke getarnt, oder was?"

03-01-18, 05:35 PM	#366
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	No, I haven't had time yet, but after I do a few tests in the Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate mod, I'll give 9Delta2 another go-round and get back with you guys! Edit 02/03/18 1445: OK, I am around the corner, and frustrated... - I've tweaked the eqp files, but those probably weren't it. All those "errors" in the Validator program are showing is that equipment is called for, but it's not in the DAT file. Said platforms were not encountered. However, after deleting the KSS and KCS references, I made it around the corner to encounter this fine specimen: besides bristling with guns, there is a couple of holes in the stack... Four torpedoes later from right at 1200m, and "Torpedo is a dud sir", "Torpedo is a dud sir", "Boom!", "Torpedo missed, sir."... Several minutes later, we have this: ... still doing 9 knots and zig-zagging... Of note: 1. Cannot get to periscope depth from the short-cut key. They will call it out, but it never happens. I have to hit the "D" key and / or set it by clicking on the depth gauge. No biggie. Just be aware of it. Similarly, the speed telegraph doesn't function as inteneded, and all the higher you can get on it is Ahead Standard to display. The boat does seem to do the speeds "telegraphed" with the 4 & 5 keystrokes or clicked with the mouse, but the speed-set display doesn't change. 3. In 1942, is that more of a US torpedo issue than a German, by then? Impact triggers, btw. There's something that I'm forgetting... Edi-editt: Now I remember... torpedo trails... I was using electrics. That is what was on my boat. I could not see any "trail" in the water from them, but the ship started avoidance almost immediately, like they were compressed air torps that had flags on them... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna Last edited by propbeanie; 03-02-18 at 04:09 PM.

03-03-18, 01:06 AM	#368
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	We are looking forward to another version to test. I'm not sure if there is a fix for the merchants being able to see the electric torpedoes as easily as the compressed air ones. I don't have a clue about that kind of stuff - whether to look at the torpedo itself, or the AI_Visual, or what... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

03-03-18, 03:21 PM	#369
Geoff then Gunner Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Kiel, Germany Posts: 96 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Those graphics look tremendous! Very nice colors. I'm totally up for some testing! @beanie: that ship you've hit, it reminds me of the "error" I also found in the original mod. Like the ships are very deep in the water, but that seems not to affect the performance in any way. I sometimes saw some escorts speeding upon me with a slightly submerged aft deck for no reason, still fully operational. Might be the same issue with your freighter... __________________ "Natürlich ist das 'n Weihnachtsbaum, oder meinste, damit wird die Brücke getarnt, oder was?"

03-03-18, 04:23 PM	#370
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Naw, she was fine in the water when I first saw her. That was one torpedo hit that put her foredeck under a pinch. Sure didn't slow her down, or reduce her turning radius though... Sometimes, what I call "bad spawns" can cause a ship to sit too low in the water, and there can be all sorts of reasons for bad spawns, such as spawning into another ship, or hitting a dock when spawning, not enough room in the area that a group spawns, etc. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

03-09-18, 09:37 AM	#372
Geoff then Gunner Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Kiel, Germany Posts: 96 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Went out on my first patrol. Found a convoi ca. 350km west of Vigo. Nighttime, rough weather, missed a liberty at long range, sank a t3 tanker at medium range, crash dived to 175m (escorts already had my number), got depth charged for a few min, then they lost me again. AI seems to work like it should, physics are very nice and make you even more of a sitting duck, which is great IMO. Graphics are fine. Crash dive sound still seems to be played twice in an overlapping manner. Will continue the patrol later on, lets see what happens next. Edit: The tanker immediately split in half on the first hit. While this happenend the rest of the convoi kept their course and speed (they were at 5kn anyway) and they started zig zag stuff only after the escorts found me. Is that normal behaviour? __________________ "Natürlich ist das 'n Weihnachtsbaum, oder meinste, damit wird die Brücke getarnt, oder was?"

03-10-18, 02:26 PM	#373
Bleiente Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Damn - the version is flawed. I do not know how that could happen ... I'm really angry.

03-10-18, 03:39 PM	#374
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,735 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Bleiente, if you knew how many times we blew stuff in FotRSU, it'd scare you - or else make you laugh out loud until your lungs hurt... - you are doing fine, lad! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

03-22-18, 02:22 PM	#375
Bleiente Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	"Na Männer - alles klar!?!" Es wird eine neue Beta geben, falls es überhaupt noch jemanden interessiert...