I cannot hit anything

crashed97tsi · 03-01-10, 12:18 AM

Hello:

I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I cannot hit anything with Torpedoes in this game. Everytime I use the TDC and input the ship type, range, speed, bearing, and AOB I miss horribly. The torpedos keep going where the ship was when I fired the torpedo, not where it is going to be when the torpedo gets there.

This is on automatic mode btw, no manual targeting mode yet. However, no matter what I do I cannot get a hit at over 500m. The torpedos just miss horribly.

SO any ideas? I am also positive I am identifying, ranging, and estimating speed correctly. I think my problem is with the angle off bow or whatever.

Game is good so far, however I really miss the crew interface of the past games. This new type doesn't really work for me.

gutted · 03-01-10, 12:24 AM

If you are on automatic targetting, you dont need to input anything.

Look in the manual.. it will explain what those numbered circles are on your minimap.. and how to use them in auto targetting to help lead your shot.

kptn_kaiserhof · 03-01-10, 09:00 AM

i to love the old interface from 4 & 5.......... and yes i mean the tdc

DMB3428 · 03-01-10, 09:03 AM

one thing im doing is "leading" the target...I put the cross hair on the bow of the boat and then update the range then fire.....I prefer the SH4 method with the dials and such...THIS HAS TO BE MODDED IMO!

Bilge_Rat · 03-01-10, 09:28 AM

I posted this somewhere else, but it may help here as well:

This is with manual TDC, but map updates "on", which I find is the best way to learn since you can practice manual targeting and doublecheck against the map readings to figure out what you are doing wrong.

The solution (i.e. range, AOB, speed) was plugged in exactly from the data on the map. I aimed at the bow and midships and the torpedoes hit where I was aiming. The gyro angle takes into account not only the aim point, but the fact that the TGT is moving right to left at 10 knots.

When you have a perfect solution, the torpedo will go exactly where you aim it.

I have not tried AUTO TDC, so I do not know what the issue is or why it does not work the same way.

gutted · 03-01-10, 09:29 AM

Yeah the Scope and AOB is linked in manual TDC like it was in SH3. But.. I wish it will tell you what the gyro angle is.

dangrey · 03-01-10, 04:14 PM

I'm also having trouble with auto tdc. The torpedo always go where the ship was when I fired ...

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 04:45 PM

Can I allow myself to show how I have been hitting from 3500 meters consistently.

1) make sure your at periscope depth by 8k, they will see you any further after that.
2) Get ships course, you should know this by now.
3) Get speed, you should also know this by now.
4) Get range, you should know this by now too.
5) Get ships relative bearing.

Fun math stuff now (I will show only the formulas not the theory).

TDC ALWAYS OFF. You should have the attack map, tdc, firing controls, and the scope in one view.

Ok.

Now if your know your course is 0° and his course is 270° and his relative bearing is 50°, you can do the math for angle on the bow.

So its Target True Bearing + (plus) Ships Course - (minus) 180 = AOB Which in our case is:

50 + 270 - 180 = 140 AOB

Now adjust the range and confirm the speed.

Now if your True Target Bearing is 350°, you would simply minus 10 from the formula as so:

10 - 270 - 180 = 80 AOB

What I do and suspect captains did would be assume the ship held course and plot the perfect solution along his track. Meaning if I know he is going to cross my scope at a certain bearing I could compute for 340° before he even gets there, giving me time to compensate for speed, range and allow for course correction if needed. You could do the math for multiple ships very fast without ever locking a scope or watching the same ship over and over.

guynoir · 03-01-10, 04:46 PM

I wonder if it's sending '0' to the TDC in auto mode... Remember the chronometer bug in SHIV when manually targeting that would give the ship's speed as '0'? (which caused me to shelve the game for a good long while)

ddrgn · 03-01-10, 04:54 PM

Theres no problem I can see setting the speed anywhere, you just type it in.

dangrey · 03-01-10, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guynoir

I wonder if it's sending '0' to the TDC in auto mode... Remember the chronometer bug in SHIV when manually targeting that would give the ship's speed as '0'? (which caused me to shelve the game for a good long while)

Sounds like it could be yes. I'm enjoying playing as the captain and want to play with auto tdc for a while, before I'm going manual.

Bilge_Rat · 03-01-10, 06:31 PM

There are many threads on manual targeting in the SH3/4 forums, but that is probably not pertinent to this discussion.

Regarding Auto TDC, someone would have to play with Auto TDC and map updates "on" and compare the TDC solution with the map data to figure out what is going on. I presume the Devs put in a fudge factor so it is not the silver bullet it was before.

SteamWake · 03-01-10, 06:38 PM

I just wanted to drop in and say how awsome it is to have a real gameplay discussion.

It's a breath of fresh air !

Carry on !

dangrey · 03-02-10, 10:11 AM

Aha, I finally got some hits. After I mark a target, I have to choose the right speed on the torpedo, and then turn the attack-periscope (often away from the target in sight) till the line on map is about right. Both the nr. 3s should be close. I will play some mission with this before I go back to manual tracking. So we can't have the crew to identify ships etc. and get that info on the screen as well?

Galanti · 03-02-10, 10:43 AM

Wait a minute, I just want to mark a target with the scope and let me crew do the rest. Is this possible through manual targetting or automatic? I don't want to have to line up dots on that lame TAI map, because frankly I throw up a little bit in my mouth every time I look at it.

I thought the whole purpose of this new approach was to take a lot of the microtasks out of the captain's hands and put them back in the crews.

03-01-10, 12:18 AM	#1
crashed97tsi Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I cannot hit anything Hello: I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I cannot hit anything with Torpedoes in this game. Everytime I use the TDC and input the ship type, range, speed, bearing, and AOB I miss horribly. The torpedos keep going where the ship was when I fired the torpedo, not where it is going to be when the torpedo gets there. This is on automatic mode btw, no manual targeting mode yet. However, no matter what I do I cannot get a hit at over 500m. The torpedos just miss horribly. SO any ideas? I am also positive I am identifying, ranging, and estimating speed correctly. I think my problem is with the angle off bow or whatever. Game is good so far, however I really miss the crew interface of the past games. This new type doesn't really work for me.

03-01-10, 09:28 AM	#5
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,792 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I posted this somewhere else, but it may help here as well: This is with manual TDC, but map updates "on", which I find is the best way to learn since you can practice manual targeting and doublecheck against the map readings to figure out what you are doing wrong. The solution (i.e. range, AOB, speed) was plugged in exactly from the data on the map. I aimed at the bow and midships and the torpedoes hit where I was aiming. The gyro angle takes into account not only the aim point, but the fact that the TGT is moving right to left at 10 knots. When you have a perfect solution, the torpedo will go exactly where you aim it. I have not tried AUTO TDC, so I do not know what the issue is or why it does not work the same way. __________________

03-01-10, 04:45 PM	#8
ddrgn Korvettenkapitän Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 918 Downloads: 362 Uploads: 30	Can I allow myself to show how I have been hitting from 3500 meters consistently. 1) make sure your at periscope depth by 8k, they will see you any further after that. 2) Get ships course, you should know this by now. 3) Get speed, you should also know this by now. 4) Get range, you should know this by now too. 5) Get ships relative bearing. Fun math stuff now (I will show only the formulas not the theory). TDC ALWAYS OFF. You should have the attack map, tdc, firing controls, and the scope in one view. Ok. Now if your know your course is 0° and his course is 270° and his relative bearing is 50°, you can do the math for angle on the bow. So its Target True Bearing + (plus) Ships Course - (minus) 180 = AOB Which in our case is: 50 + 270 - 180 = 140 AOB Now adjust the range and confirm the speed. Now if your True Target Bearing is 350°, you would simply minus 10 from the formula as so: 10 - 270 - 180 = 80 AOB What I do and suspect captains did would be assume the ship held course and plot the perfect solution along his track. Meaning if I know he is going to cross my scope at a certain bearing I could compute for 340° before he even gets there, giving me time to compensate for speed, range and allow for course correction if needed. You could do the math for multiple ships very fast without ever locking a scope or watching the same ship over and over. __________________ ddrgn mods: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=217261

03-01-10, 04:54 PM	#10
ddrgn Korvettenkapitän Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 918 Downloads: 362 Uploads: 30	Theres no problem I can see setting the speed anywhere, you just type it in. __________________ ddrgn mods: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=217261

03-01-10, 06:31 PM	#12
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,792 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	There are many threads on manual targeting in the SH3/4 forums, but that is probably not pertinent to this discussion. Regarding Auto TDC, someone would have to play with Auto TDC and map updates "on" and compare the TDC solution with the map data to figure out what is going on. I presume the Devs put in a fudge factor so it is not the silver bullet it was before. __________________

03-01-10, 12:24 AM	#2
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,353 Downloads: 470 Uploads: 10	If you are on automatic targetting, you dont need to input anything. Look in the manual.. it will explain what those numbered circles are on your minimap.. and how to use them in auto targetting to help lead your shot.

03-01-10, 09:00 AM	#3
kptn_kaiserhof XO Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 418 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	i to love the old interface from 4 & 5.......... and yes i mean the tdc

03-01-10, 09:03 AM	#4
DMB3428 Watch Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	one thing im doing is "leading" the target...I put the cross hair on the bow of the boat and then update the range then fire.....I prefer the SH4 method with the dials and such...THIS HAS TO BE MODDED IMO!

03-01-10, 09:29 AM	#6
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,353 Downloads: 470 Uploads: 10	Yeah the Scope and AOB is linked in manual TDC like it was in SH3. But.. I wish it will tell you what the gyro angle is.

03-01-10, 04:14 PM	#7
dangrey Bosun Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 61 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I'm also having trouble with auto tdc. The torpedo always go where the ship was when I fired ...

03-01-10, 04:46 PM	#9
guynoir Seaman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 39 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I wonder if it's sending '0' to the TDC in auto mode... Remember the chronometer bug in SHIV when manually targeting that would give the ship's speed as '0'? (which caused me to shelve the game for a good long while)

03-01-10, 06:38 PM	#13
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just wanted to drop in and say how awsome it is to have a real gameplay discussion. It's a breath of fresh air ! Carry on ! __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-02-10, 10:11 AM	#14
dangrey Bosun Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 61 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Aha, I finally got some hits. After I mark a target, I have to choose the right speed on the torpedo, and then turn the attack-periscope (often away from the target in sight) till the line on map is about right. Both the nr. 3s should be close. I will play some mission with this before I go back to manual tracking. So we can't have the crew to identify ships etc. and get that info on the screen as well?

03-02-10, 10:43 AM	#15
Galanti Captain Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 536 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Wait a minute, I just want to mark a target with the scope and let me crew do the rest. Is this possible through manual targetting or automatic? I don't want to have to line up dots on that lame TAI map, because frankly I throw up a little bit in my mouth every time I look at it. I thought the whole purpose of this new approach was to take a lot of the microtasks out of the captain's hands and put them back in the crews.