"An up-top sub can't be missed" Royal Navy Shadows Russian Sub Near UK Waters

[Oberon]

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/0...Oskol-HMS-Kent


This is why we can't have nice things...

[Onkel Neal]

British Royal Navy Shadows Russian Submarine Near UK Waters

A British frigate warship was sent to shadow a Russian Kilo class submarine on Sunday after it was spotted in the North Sea, moving southwest on Sunday.

“It would be strange if the Royal Navy and NATO had not noticed the vessel, especially when, in the old maritime tradition, our sailors was saluted by the crews of merchants ships sailing the parallel or reverse route in the Barents Sea, Sea of Norway and the North Sea,” the ministry added.

[Gerald]

They want to push the limits.

[jaop99]

The Guardian note was absurd, the submarine has been travelling surfaced all the trip and accompanied by a tug boat! they really had to sweat to find the sub!

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/345996-russian-sub-uk-media/

[Oberon]

"An up top thread can't be missed"

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=226431

[Onkel Neal]

Good catch.

[Kapitan]

Submarine type 0636 a brand new kilo hasn't done dive trails yet hence why she is surfaced she left the baltic a while back as was escorted by norwiegen forces in the Kattergat the british RN knew she was coming and they will escort her again at the straight of gibralter and then the turkish fleet will no doubt escort her up the bosphorus straight into the black sea to her home port and her new fleet.

[speed150mph]

Kapitan, are you sure she hasn't completed dive trials yet? It seems weird that they wouldn't have. It would have made more sense to do the work ups in the Barents Sea or Baltic where she would have been closer to the shipyard in case there was a problem. I also thought they did test dives before the sub was handed over to the navy?

[Kapitan]

Yes I find this odd to but ITAR has said she will do work up and dive trial in Black Sea who knows for sure

[speed150mph]

yeah a very confusing report. On top of that, Id also like to point out that B262 Stary Oskol, the sub in question is shown as commissioned in the Russian navy since June of 2015. If the wernt performing trails and work ups, what in the world were they doing sitting in the Barents sea for a year??

[Osmium Steele]

Nato has the north atlantic wired for sound. I doubt we have the Baltic covered in such a fashion.

I wonder what being surfaced does to the sonar signature? Perhaps distorts it enough that it cannot be accurately tied to the individual submarine?

You know darn well we have someone in trail recording every sound that thing makes.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

Nato has the north atlantic wired for sound. I doubt we have the Baltic covered in such a fashion.

I wonder what being surfaced does to the sonar signature? Perhaps distorts it enough that it cannot be accurately tied to the individual submarine?

You know darn well we have someone in trail recording every sound that thing makes.

They call it the BQQ-10 a piece of gear that can read every sound emitted and analize what it is and where it was made all from freqencies emitted.

Takes a trained operator on passive sound sensors to take a look, but the computer is needed for matching past sound graphs to make sure.

The problem comes from when the CO wants information and he wants it now.

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

They call it the BQQ-10 a piece of gear that can read every sound emitted and analize what it is and where it was made all from freqencies emitted.

Takes a trained operator on passive sound sensors to take a look, but the computer is needed for matching past sound graphs to make sure.

The problem comes from when the CO wants information and he wants it now.

Oh, I'm well familiar with the BQQ-10 and their operators. Deployed to NORSE and BASE a few times myself.

And I meant the Black Sea when I typed Baltic in the previous post.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Vendor

They want to push the limits.

And it seems they have limits! http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-campaign-in-syria-exposes-moscows-defense-gaps-1480273941?mod=e2fb The aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, shown here in the English Channel in October, lacks the kind of powerful catapult system featured on U.S. carriers.

A flotilla of Russian warships in the Mediterranean is providing a high-profile show of force in support of the Syrian regime. But the deployment has also thrown into sharp relief the limits of Moscow’s conventional military.
State television broadcasts to the domestic audience Top Gun-style footage of bombers taking off from Russia’s flagship aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. Foreign observers get to see one of the country’s most important weapons exports, the MiG-29 fighter plane, in action.
But the quarter-century-old Kuznetsov lacks the kind of powerful catapult system that is featured on U.S. carriers, forcing Russian planes to carry lighter payloads and less fuel, according to North Atlantic Treaty Organization officials.
And a dearth of highly trained aviators able to take off and land at sea has forced the ship to carry fewer pilots, according to Western officials. Moscow already lost one jet fighter when it crashed this month during a training flight on an approach to the carrier.
“The Russian navy has not had a lot of operational experience in recent years in actual combat,” said Eric Wertheim, author of The Naval Institute Guide to Combat Fleets of the World.
Russian planes are bombing forces opposed to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and its attacks on the besieged city of Aleppo have prompted sharp criticism from Washington and other Western capitals. (Hey it's only ok when we do it...with drones)
The Russian military hasn’t said that the Kuznetsov is taking part in the assault on Aleppo, though top NATO officials say that is the primary purpose of the deployment. Russia also has a number of planes stationed at an air base in Syria.
Western officials see the Kuznetsov operation—along with recent announcements that Russia will permanently base Iskander missiles in its Baltic Sea enclave of Kalingrad—as part of a two-pronged strategy from Russian President Vladimir Putin, particularly since the election of Donald Trump to the U.S. presidency.

I wonder if the Donald even has a 'prong' ...much less a strategy; ie will Western good 'trump' Russian evil?! Required reading: http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2016/11/22/assessing_the_admiral_kuznetsov_deployment_in_the_ syrian_conflict_110373.html