Expelled student armed with assault rifle slaughters 17 at Florida high school - Page 7

Delgard · 02-22-18, 09:35 PM

That is a concern in the discussions. Are teachers armed first-responders with body-armor and Oakleys or are they teachers?

Just wait until the Union hears about this...

Catfish · 02-23-18, 03:40 PM

Is it really Trump's proposal, to arm teachers?

mapuc · 02-23-18, 04:03 PM

WHY, that was the first word that popped up in my head, after I read and heard about this guard, who didn't do anything during the shootings.

WHY ?? Why didn't he do anything ?

Markus

Schroeder · 02-23-18, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

WHY, that was the first word that popped up in my head, after I read and heard about this guard, who didn't do anything during the shootings.

WHY ?? Why didn't he do anything ?

Markus

Because he is a human and therefore likes to keep his life. Would you dare to run into an active shooting scenario?

But yes, he certainly had the wrong job.

mapuc · 02-23-18, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Because he is a human and therefore likes to keep his life. Would you dare to run into an active shooting scenario?

But yes, he certainly had the wrong job.

I'm not accusing him of anything or pointing finger at him

The upcoming investigation have to find out why he didn't do anything and it is the authorities that shall decide what kind of punishment he deserve.

Markus

Jeff-Groves · 02-23-18, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

WHY, that was the first word that popped up in my head, after I read and heard about this guard, who didn't do anything during the shootings.

WHY ?? Why didn't he do anything ?

Markus

Quite frankly? I believe he is a Coward.
Probably figured it was a cush job till retirement.
His reward will be He will be known as a coward for ever more.
Some would say better to live a coward then die a hero.
I say if you can not handle the job even in the worst of situations?
DO NOT stand up and take it hoping the worst never comes to pass.

I also believe he should lose all retirement benefits at the very lest.
In a way? He was an accomplice to this tragedy.

Jeff-Groves · 02-23-18, 10:35 PM

So now we are seeing that more LEO's were on scene but failed to do their duty?
https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-s...hool-shooting/

I am starting to see why respect for those in Law Enforcement is in a sharp decline in this Nation.
And this is a VERY sharp point as to why.

To those So called 'Officers'? I say turn in your guns and badges and go work at McDonalds or WalMart.
You are a disgrace to the Profession and besmirch the True Professionals.

Imagine the ParaTroopers of the 82nd AirBorne giving up during the Battle of the Bulge!

You people in other Countries wonder what is wrong here in the States?
The fact that 4 ARMED LEO's hid out side while the shooter committed his rampage should speak volumes!

Rockstar · 02-23-18, 11:03 PM

A lot of people dropped the ball. And didn't have jack squat do to with president, the NRA, politics or donations. It had everything to with a lack of interest in doing a job you're paid to do.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ti...cid=spartanntp

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The authorities have acknowledged mishandling numerous warning signs that Mr. Cruz was deeply troubled. There were tips to the F.B.I. about disturbing social media posts. There were visits by social services to his home. There were dozens of calls to 911 and the local authorities, some mentioning fears that he was capable of violence.

Reviewing the transcripts of those calls, and listening to the audiotapes of some of them, is a chilling exercise that makes Mr. Cruz’s arrest in one of America’s deadliest school shootings seem less than a complete surprise.

Transcripts: http://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics...transcript.pdf

Jeff-Groves · 02-23-18, 11:14 PM

"The authorities have acknowledged mishandling"
Ya think?

I've seen where some called this a 'False Flag'. If it was? It was a total fail.

Jeff-Groves · 02-23-18, 11:29 PM

The fact that the so called system failed at identifying and neutralizing the threat is one thing.

Failure of the so called 'Officers' on the scene? THAT is a whole different ball game!

Try to excuse those 'Officers' as you wish. I have personally met at lest 4 people here at Subsim that I would not want to face if I was the shooter.

We are being feed the 'They are Heros' line and now we see the results that are going to have far reaching impacts.

Skybird · 02-24-18, 05:33 AM

Have those inactive guardians already given their reasons why they decided not to aggressively go in? Maybe they indeed only have weaseling excuses, but we should want to be sure that there was nothing that appeared to them as a good reasons not to do right that what they did: keeping in their place. Total confusion about what was going on, and where, and how many.

Just for the sense of complete overview. I mean, blindly running around like a beheaded chicken, or flipping a coin for the right direction to shoot at, everybody can. Doing somethign that indeed makes sense - that might be something different.

Do we know for sure that it was stupidity or cowardice or shock or whatever that has frozen them in place? Ifso, if they were incomoetent, then yes, spank them. If they had some valid reasons, however, well, then it are valid reasons.

I do not want to excuse anyone for anything. Just asking, for I would like to know.

Skybird · 02-24-18, 06:35 AM

In the foreigner's perception:

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Onkel Neal · 02-24-18, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

In the foreigner's perception:

https://translate.google.de/translat...tml&edit-text=

There it is

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It's all about power, money and America's original sin - racism.

I stopped there.

Jimbuna · 02-24-18, 08:48 AM

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Several US companies have cut ties with the National Rifle Association (NRA) amid calls for a boycott of businesses linked to the powerful gun lobby in the wake of the Florida school shooting.

The firms include car rental giants Hertz and Enterprise, which had offered discounts for NRA members.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43173753

An inevitable consequence I reckon

Skybird · 02-24-18, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

There it is

I stopped there.

You shouldn'T. There is an explanation in history why the authors said that. Civil War. Freeing of Slaves. Firearms in black hands. Whites not wanting that. Dissolving of KKK falling together with founding the NRA. Civil Rights Movement and Anti Vietnam Protest. The fact that school shootings almost always are committed by whites, not blacks.

Did you know that watching the same skyline of the same city from the other end of that city - gives you a completely different sight?

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Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	So now we are seeing that more LEO's were on scene but failed to do their duty? https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-s...hool-shooting/ I am starting to see why respect for those in Law Enforcement is in a sharp decline in this Nation. And this is a VERY sharp point as to why. To those So called 'Officers'? I say turn in your guns and badges and go work at McDonalds or WalMart. You are a disgrace to the Profession and besmirch the True Professionals. Imagine the ParaTroopers of the 82nd AirBorne giving up during the Battle of the Bulge! You people in other Countries wonder what is wrong here in the States? The fact that 4 ARMED LEO's hid out side while the shooter committed his rampage should speak volumes! __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask. Last edited by Jeff-Groves; 02-23-18 at 11:06 PM.

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Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	"The authorities have acknowledged mishandling" Ya think? I've seen where some called this a 'False Flag'. If it was? It was a total fail. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

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Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,319 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	The fact that the so called system failed at identifying and neutralizing the threat is one thing. Failure of the so called 'Officers' on the scene? THAT is a whole different ball game! Try to excuse those 'Officers' as you wish. I have personally met at lest 4 people here at Subsim that I would not want to face if I was the shooter. We are being feed the 'They are Heros' line and now we see the results that are going to have far reaching impacts. __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask. Last edited by Jeff-Groves; 02-23-18 at 11:37 PM.

02-24-18, 05:33 AM	#101
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,492 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Have those inactive guardians already given their reasons why they decided not to aggressively go in? Maybe they indeed only have weaseling excuses, but we should want to be sure that there was nothing that appeared to them as a good reasons not to do right that what they did: keeping in their place. Total confusion about what was going on, and where, and how many. Just for the sense of complete overview. I mean, blindly running around like a beheaded chicken, or flipping a coin for the right direction to shoot at, everybody can. Doing somethign that indeed makes sense - that might be something different. Do we know for sure that it was stupidity or cowardice or shock or whatever that has frozen them in place? Ifso, if they were incomoetent, then yes, spank them. If they had some valid reasons, however, well, then it are valid reasons. I do not want to excuse anyone for anything. Just asking, for I would like to know. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Delgard Skipper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	That is a concern in the discussions. Are teachers armed first-responders with body-armor and Oakleys or are they teachers? Just wait until the Union hears about this...

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	WHY, that was the first word that popped up in my head, after I read and heard about this guard, who didn't do anything during the shootings. WHY ?? Why didn't he do anything ? Markus

02-24-18, 06:35 AM	#102
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,492 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	In the foreigner's perception: https://translate.google.de/translat...tml&edit-text= __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.