737 crash in Jakarta due to new software?

Catfish · 11-14-18, 05:16 AM

Google translate:
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

How i love those electronic improvements that take away a person's/pilot's influence "because programmers know it better" and do it "to prevent pilot errors". Airbus is no better of course.

Jimbuna · 11-14-18, 06:09 AM

Surely there would be a manual override switch?

Reece · 11-14-18, 06:45 AM

I couldn't see any reports of injuries or deaths, I assume they got it under control.

Catfish · 11-14-18, 07:06 AM

^ unfortunately no survivors, all 189 passengers perished. The automatic system has flown the jet straight into the sea.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fcc3621c5493ce

It already happened at october 29th, but the cause of the crash has only now been discovered.

It seems the new 737 had bigger engines causing an altered stall speed. The new software had been introduced to adapt to the changes, and automatically drop the nose when a stall is imminent, to build up speed and prevent the stall. It seems that there either was no manual override, or Boeing had not communicated this to the airlines using the jets with those updates.
Which is hardly believable

"The MCU (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) introduced by Boeing on the Model 737 Max is designed to prevent stalling. This occurs at too low speed, the wings then produce no more lift. When the sensors of the 737 Max report an attitude close to such tilting to the on-board computer, it automatically lowers the nose of the machine to increase the speed. In the case of the crashed Lion Air flight, a faulty attitude sensor or faulty software caused the on-board computer to steer the aircraft into the sea.
The procedure, how to deal with this incident, the pilots of the Lion Air flight was apparently unknown: Boeing published this only after the accident in a so-called Operations Manual Bulletin. This instructs all operators of the 737 Max machines to familiarize themselves with the procedure. One day later, the US aviation authority issued a corresponding urgent airworthiness directive."

Reminds me of the Airbus crash of the Air France jet over the Atlantic back then. The pilots were not able to get back the control despite obviously knowing what was happening.
"Pilot error", my A...!

Jimbuna · 12-23-19, 11:16 AM

Boeing has fired its chief executive, Dennis Muilenburg, a move the board of directors said "was necessary to restore confidence" in the firm.

David Calhoun, Boeing's current chairman, will take over as chief executive and president from 13 January.

Mr Muilenburg had faced calls for his resignation over the company's response to two deadly crashes involving the firm's best-selling 737 Max airliner.

The jet has been grounded since March.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490

Aktungbby · 12-23-19, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

David Calhoun, Boeing's current chairman, will take over as chief executive and president from 13 January.

Mr Muilenburg had faced calls for his resignation over the company's response to two deadly crashes involving the firm's best-selling 737 Max airliner.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490

Now it appears Mr Mullenburg really does read my posts... pertaining to foresight

WSJ today : "Were making changes to our company, and I'm changing as a leader as well.

Unfortunately he's still profit motivated more than he's prophet motivated!

Catfish · 12-23-19, 03:20 PM

Since the CEO of a company is always responsible for every nut and bolt and software step that makes perfect sense.
The trust in Boeing and the FAA has instantly been restored.

Aktungbby · 12-23-19, 09:15 PM

/\Oh no it hasn't! I'll never fly on a 737 MAX! And the FAA's credibility restoration is a long way from 'instant'..

Catfish · 12-24-19, 06:09 AM

I tried to be sarcastic.. sorry

11-14-18, 05:16 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	737 crash in Jakarta due to new software? Google translate: https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url How i love those electronic improvements that take away a person's/pilot's influence "because programmers know it better" and do it "to prevent pilot errors". Airbus is no better of course. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-14-18, 06:09 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,102 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Surely there would be a manual override switch? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-14-18, 06:45 AM	#3
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,724 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I couldn't see any reports of injuries or deaths, I assume they got it under control. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

11-14-18, 07:06 AM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ unfortunately no survivors, all 189 passengers perished. The automatic system has flown the jet straight into the sea. https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...fcc3621c5493ce It already happened at october 29th, but the cause of the crash has only now been discovered. It seems the new 737 had bigger engines causing an altered stall speed. The new software had been introduced to adapt to the changes, and automatically drop the nose when a stall is imminent, to build up speed and prevent the stall. It seems that there either was no manual override, or Boeing had not communicated this to the airlines using the jets with those updates. Which is hardly believable "The MCU (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) introduced by Boeing on the Model 737 Max is designed to prevent stalling. This occurs at too low speed, the wings then produce no more lift. When the sensors of the 737 Max report an attitude close to such tilting to the on-board computer, it automatically lowers the nose of the machine to increase the speed. In the case of the crashed Lion Air flight, a faulty attitude sensor or faulty software caused the on-board computer to steer the aircraft into the sea. The procedure, how to deal with this incident, the pilots of the Lion Air flight was apparently unknown: Boeing published this only after the accident in a so-called Operations Manual Bulletin. This instructs all operators of the 737 Max machines to familiarize themselves with the procedure. One day later, the US aviation authority issued a corresponding urgent airworthiness directive." Reminds me of the Airbus crash of the Air France jet over the Atlantic back then. The pilots were not able to get back the control despite obviously knowing what was happening. "Pilot error", my A...! __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-23-19, 11:16 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,102 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Boeing has fired its chief executive, Dennis Muilenburg, a move the board of directors said "was necessary to restore confidence" in the firm. David Calhoun, Boeing's current chairman, will take over as chief executive and president from 13 January. Mr Muilenburg had faced calls for his resignation over the company's response to two deadly crashes involving the firm's best-selling 737 Max airliner. The jet has been grounded since March. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-23-19, 03:20 PM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Since the CEO of a company is always responsible for every nut and bolt and software step that makes perfect sense. The trust in Boeing and the FAA has instantly been restored. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-23-19, 09:15 PM	#8
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,842 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	/\Oh no it hasn't! I'll never fly on a 737 MAX! And the FAA's credibility restoration is a long way from 'instant'.. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

12-24-19, 06:09 AM	#9
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,894 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I tried to be sarcastic.. sorry __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.