Paris on fire

Rockstar · 11-24-18, 06:25 PM

Heard its been going on for eight days now.

PARIS (AP) — French police fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse violent demonstrators in Paris on Saturday, as thousands gathered in the capital and beyond and staged road blockades to vent anger against rising fuel taxes.
Thousands of police were deployed nationwide to contain the eighth day of deadly demonstrations that started as protests against tax but morphed into a rebuke of President Emmanuel Macron and the perceived elitism of France’s ruling class. Two people have been killed since Nov. 17 in protest-related tragedies.

https://www.apnews.com/d3033b920af449b594e66b51890b517b

Jimbuna · 11-25-18, 06:11 AM

The French are not in as high a number as the UK regarding union membership but they are far superior in the manner in which they demonstrate their perceived grievances.

Macron is most likely currently the most unpopular President for decades.

Rockstar · 11-25-18, 09:57 AM

French President Moron the least popular president? Say its not so. I just cant see how this happened he appeared to be just oozing with decorum! It seems France has buried themselves in deep with ridiculous labor laws that protect 'slackers'. Now when they try to get out from under it all hell breaks loose.

In other news: French police were already feeling under siege after a terrorist murdered police commander Jean-Baptiste Salvaing and his partner at their home Monday night. The terrorist then took the couple’s 3-year-old son hostage.

No wonder Trump didn't want to stand out in the open next to Moron.

Looks like any plans to visit France are being cancelled today.

Skybird · 11-25-18, 10:14 AM

Macronman surely has lost his cape recently. Still, the German coalition has recently agreed to his desire for forming a European union of joined liabilities, to distract from the financial worries of France . A European unemployment insurrance and European social wellfare is next. The Germans long wanted to prevent that, sicne it is them financing the biggets part of that. The zombie coalition now just tries to save itself over time by now falling back from all its defence positions and surrender to these things - that Germany will pay for, pay, pay, pay. And German citizens even demnd more of that! There is no therapy for Germaness.

My despise for this parasitical opportunistic selfish scum is as unlimited as my fury against them. If I would see any of them lying on the street needing help, I would turn away, would not mind and would not care, letting dogs have their fun with them. Utmost despicable they are.

And deeper and deeper the EU dives. Will not stop until it has hit rock bottom. Since the situation in the Us is messed up by now as well, for other reasons, and Russia and China seem to steer into more and more turbulent water, plus all the many planet-wide, gobal crisis, I started to wonder if maybe we witness the agony of our our whole era, our whole civilization. When you have crossed the peak, on the other side it necessarily goes way down.

Makes the perfect timing of this moment I call my life and present so much more precious.

STEED · 11-25-18, 11:26 AM

Mr Popular no more, its true what they say you voted for it you are stuck with it until you can vote them out.

em2nought · 11-25-18, 12:28 PM

Le Pen would probably win now, unless they preemptively placed her in jail for speaking truth.

Jimbuna · 11-26-18, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought

Le Pen would probably win now, unless they preemptively placed her in jail for speaking truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...of-is-killings

https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/marine-le-pen

STEED · 11-26-18, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought

Le Pen would probably win now, unless they preemptively placed her in jail for speaking truth.

I am not too sure she would but clearly her vote would go up.

Jimbuna · 11-26-18, 06:52 AM

Currently at 30%

Onkel Neal · 11-27-18, 06:34 AM

This is getting almost no coverage here, but I have been following in the UK/Euro news.

'Gilets jaunes' protest against Macron policies in Paris and across France – in pictures

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...-across-France

So, the French govt is trying to tax fuel to keep climate change under control...when it hurts the pocketbook, suddenly a lot of greenies get upset.

Catfish · 11-27-18, 07:59 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=239237

Rockstar · 11-27-18, 09:11 AM

Oh I dont know if it has much to with President Moron's pledge to ban gasoline cars by 2040. He's stupid but not that stupid I think he would have touted at least one viable solution before raising taxes for that reason.

Another tax increase is slated for January, can't wait.

From Le Monde: google translate https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

There is, in the revolt of "yellow vests", a sense of abandonment of the small middle class who feels like the big loser of the reforms, winning too much to be helped, or being exempted from certain taxes, but not enough to live easily. All in territories where public services have become scarce, and where people no longer see the counterpart of the payment of tax.

Jimbuna · 11-27-18, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Embattled French President Emmanuel Macron has said he will not abandon a controversial fuel tax, as he set out France's future energy strategy.

The so-called yellow vests protests have seen thousands take to the streets across France over fuel prices.

But Mr Macron struck a conciliatory tone, saying he was open to ideas and revising how the fuel tax was applied.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46356649

He's certainly not 'Mr Popular' atm.

Skybird · 11-27-18, 10:33 AM

The French unrest seems to be about the growing burdening by taxation and service fees and the climbing living costs in general, of which the symptomatic raise in gasoline taxes is just the tip of an iceberg.

Rockstar · 11-27-18, 11:25 AM

"You cannot chant in the same slogan: 'cut taxes and build more crèches, schools'," Macron said.

"I will not confuse citizens and their demands with thugs," Macron said. "I will not cede any ground to those who want to destroy and create disorder," Macron said.

But he conceded the increase in diesel tax, which kicked in just as pump prices were rising, had inflicted more pain than anticipated.

http://news.trust.org/item/20181127141830-39x1i

Macron should do what those shifty thieves here in Maryland did. Wait until the cost a fuel goes down THEN raise taxes bringing it back up to where it was.

11-24-18, 06:25 PM	#1
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Paris on fire Heard its been going on for eight days now. PARIS (AP) — French police fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse violent demonstrators in Paris on Saturday, as thousands gathered in the capital and beyond and staged road blockades to vent anger against rising fuel taxes. Thousands of police were deployed nationwide to contain the eighth day of deadly demonstrations that started as protests against tax but morphed into a rebuke of President Emmanuel Macron and the perceived elitism of France’s ruling class. Two people have been killed since Nov. 17 in protest-related tragedies. https://www.apnews.com/d3033b920af449b594e66b51890b517b __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

11-25-18, 06:11 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,102 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The French are not in as high a number as the UK regarding union membership but they are far superior in the manner in which they demonstrate their perceived grievances. Macron is most likely currently the most unpopular President for decades. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-25-18, 09:57 AM	#3
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	French President Moron the least popular president? Say its not so. I just cant see how this happened he appeared to be just oozing with decorum! It seems France has buried themselves in deep with ridiculous labor laws that protect 'slackers'. Now when they try to get out from under it all hell breaks loose. In other news: French police were already feeling under siege after a terrorist murdered police commander Jean-Baptiste Salvaing and his partner at their home Monday night. The terrorist then took the couple’s 3-year-old son hostage. No wonder Trump didn't want to stand out in the open next to Moron. Looks like any plans to visit France are being cancelled today. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 11-25-18 at 12:48 PM.

11-25-18, 10:14 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Macronman surely has lost his cape recently. Still, the German coalition has recently agreed to his desire for forming a European union of joined liabilities, to distract from the financial worries of France . A European unemployment insurrance and European social wellfare is next. The Germans long wanted to prevent that, sicne it is them financing the biggets part of that. The zombie coalition now just tries to save itself over time by now falling back from all its defence positions and surrender to these things - that Germany will pay for, pay, pay, pay. And German citizens even demnd more of that! There is no therapy for Germaness. My despise for this parasitical opportunistic selfish scum is as unlimited as my fury against them. If I would see any of them lying on the street needing help, I would turn away, would not mind and would not care, letting dogs have their fun with them. Utmost despicable they are. And deeper and deeper the EU dives. Will not stop until it has hit rock bottom. Since the situation in the Us is messed up by now as well, for other reasons, and Russia and China seem to steer into more and more turbulent water, plus all the many planet-wide, gobal crisis, I started to wonder if maybe we witness the agony of our our whole era, our whole civilization. When you have crossed the peak, on the other side it necessarily goes way down. Makes the perfect timing of this moment I call my life and present so much more precious. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-25-18 at 10:22 AM.

11-25-18, 11:26 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Mr Popular no more, its true what they say you voted for it you are stuck with it until you can vote them out. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-25-18, 12:28 PM	#6
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,261 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Le Pen would probably win now, unless they preemptively placed her in jail for speaking truth. __________________ Looks like we need a Lemon Law for Presidents now! DNC sold us a dud, and they knew it.

11-26-18, 06:52 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,102 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Currently at 30% __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

11-27-18, 06:34 AM	#10
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,283 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Meanwhile, in Paris: 'Gilets jaunes' This is getting almost no coverage here, but I have been following in the UK/Euro news. 'Gilets jaunes' protest against Macron policies in Paris and across France – in pictures https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fren...-across-France So, the French govt is trying to tax fuel to keep climate change under control...when it hurts the pocketbook, suddenly a lot of greenies get upset. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-27-18, 07:59 AM	#11
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11-27-18, 09:11 AM	#12
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Oh I dont know if it has much to with President Moron's pledge to ban gasoline cars by 2040. He's stupid but not that stupid I think he would have touted at least one viable solution before raising taxes for that reason. Another tax increase is slated for January, can't wait. From Le Monde: google translate https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url There is, in the revolt of "yellow vests", a sense of abandonment of the small middle class who feels like the big loser of the reforms, winning too much to be helped, or being exempted from certain taxes, but not enough to live easily. All in territories where public services have become scarce, and where people no longer see the counterpart of the payment of tax. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

11-27-18, 10:33 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,478 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The French unrest seems to be about the growing burdening by taxation and service fees and the climbing living costs in general, of which the symptomatic raise in gasoline taxes is just the tip of an iceberg. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-27-18, 11:25 AM	#15
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,828 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"You cannot chant in the same slogan: 'cut taxes and build more crèches, schools'," Macron said. "I will not confuse citizens and their demands with thugs," Macron said. "I will not cede any ground to those who want to destroy and create disorder," Macron said. But he conceded the increase in diesel tax, which kicked in just as pump prices were rising, had inflicted more pain than anticipated. http://news.trust.org/item/20181127141830-39x1i Macron should do what those shifty thieves here in Maryland did. Wait until the cost a fuel goes down THEN raise taxes bringing it back up to where it was. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.