US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The democrats will eventually win the day, and Republicans will have been so vilified by then that killing conservatives will eventually be viewed in the same manner as hanging Hitler's henchmen at Nuremburg. After the conservatives are "erased" the USA will become another Venezuela when there isn't anymore wealth to take from somebody else. Not a very nice bedtime story is it?


...and then the Chinese who are in it to win it pay a visit.
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Jiéshù

So you think that if a conservative party gains power in America, all the American conservatives will be killed?

But by that logic, if an even more conservative party like the Republicans gain power, wouldn’t all the conservatives be killed anyway?

And with no conservatives left, a liberal party will take power - which would presumably kill all the liberals, leaving, as you say, America open to the Chinese. Who, upon taking power, would probably kill all the Chinese?

Where is this going?

[Buddahaid]

You have his point flipped.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

You have his point flipped.

Well, there are only two political parties in the US - the conservative Democrats, and the even more conservative Republicans.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, there are only two political parties in the US - the conservative Democrats, and the even more conservative Republicans.

That's what I find so strange about US politics too. There isn't even a left choice to vote for yet everybody on the farther right predicts communism if the repubs don't win.

[Skybird]

Democrats in general are quite left-leaning already, and several of their new hopes who won a seat recently are de facto socialists and "progressives" in the left-leaning understanding of the term, if judging them by their voiced demands and agendas.

The Republicans will follow that shift sooner or later - or stop winning elections because their voter base - as is now - simply gets bred out. Mind you, by simply counting the ballots for the parties, the Demcorats already now are leading over Republican voters, without all that gerrymandering and other methods to manipulate voting results, the Donald probably would not have become president. This numerical dominance of the Dems can be expected to grow due to demographic change.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well, there are only two political parties in the US - the conservative Democrats, and the even more conservative Republicans.

Originally Posted by Schroeder

That's what I find so strange about US politics too. There isn't even a left choice to vote for yet everybody on the farther right predicts communism if the repubs don't win.

Really. You guys need to do some research. The Democratic party in the US is liberal, progressive and very left leaning. And becoming more so all the time.

Of course there are some moderates in both parties.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Democrats in general are quite left-leaning already, and several of their new hopes who won a seat recently are de facto socialists and "progressives" in the left-leaning understanding of the term, if judging them by their voiced demands and agendas.

The Skybird knows.

The Republicans will follow that shift sooner or later - or stop winning elections because their voter base - as is now - simply gets bred out.

Many experts say this but it is a broad assumption. Many people vote out of dissatisfaction. Trump is a shining example. Obama's 2010 midterm crash is another. If the US electorate continues to shift left it will have to be accompanied by voter satisfaction. Ideology only works in the short term. The party in power always gets the blame and in most cases rightly deserves the back lash.

Mind you, by simply counting the ballots for the parties, the Demcorats already now are leading over Republican voters, without all that gerrymandering and other methods to manipulate voting results, the Donald probably would not have become president.

In the USA the overall popular vote means nothing other than a talking point for one party and both sides are guilty of gerrymandering.

This numerical dominance of the Dems can be expected to grow due to demographic change.

Again there is no guarantee that future generations will vote in a particular way. Yes it is trending that way but again...Donald Trump.

[Catfish]

^ no wonder Putin and Xi Jinping despise western "democracy"
I do not mean the US alone, of course.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This numerical dominance of the Dems can be expected to grow due to demographic change.

Unfortunately while all this is happening in the USA, Europe will have become a Caliphate so.... sucks for us all.

[Skybird]

Already Homer let his king of Troy, Priamos, bicker with fate that his best men having been the first to be slain, while the scum still putters around in the streets.


What gets build by constructors, attracts consumers destroying it again. And the latter has always been easier to complete than the first.

[Dowly]

Donald Trump Says Finland Doesn't Have California Wildfires Problem Because ‘They Spent a Lot of Time on Raking'

In a press conference Saturday afternoon in Northern California President Donald Trump did not blame climate change for the deadliest wildfire the nation has seen in a century, but said instead that Finland doesn’t have the same problem because “they spend a lot of time on raking” leaves.

"You’ve got to take care of the floors. You know the floors of the forest, very important. You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story,” Trump said standing next to California Governor Jerry Brown and Governor-elect Gavin Newsom.

“I was with the president of Finland and he said, ‘We have a much different—we're a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation, and they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things,” Trump said, making a moving motion with his hand. “And they don't have any problem.”

How dumb is this guy? Not only is the climate in Finland completely different, so is the vegetation. We also don't rake "the floors of forest" because it might become a fire hazard, but because the stuff can be burned in power plants or be used in industry. There are plenty of swamps, lakes, rivers and streams to halt a forest fire, not to mention the fact that we get a lot of rain and, of course, snow.


Something tells me he is eyeing for reasons to give private companies logging permissions on federal land and/or sell the land.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The democrats will eventually win the day, and Republicans will have been so vilified by then that killing conservatives will eventually be viewed in the same manner as hanging Hitler's henchmen at Nuremburg. After the conservatives are "erased" the USA will become another Venezuela when there isn't anymore wealth to take from somebody else. Not a very nice bedtime story is it?


...and then the Chinese who are in it to win it pay a visit.
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Jiéshù

Wow, pretty good summary, yeah, that's how I see it, too. The only amendment I would make is to fill in the process that leads to it. The watering down of accountability and the natural tendency for people, even conservatives, to take the easy route, is what will lead to The democrats will eventually win the day. As more and more people give up their liberty to the government in order to be taken care of, there will be fewer and fewer real conservatives, and a smaller segment of the population that will be paying their share of taxes to support the govt. At some point, the taxpayers will be such a small portion of the population that has it will no chance of winning elections, and then it'll be all over. Pretty much like Skybird describes.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Something tells me he is eyeing for reasons to give private companies logging permissions on federal land and/or sell the land.

Exactly, and people who don't live here will swallow it up because a "good" politician can sell anything, even the truth sometimes.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by u crank

Really. You guys need to do some research. The Democratic party in the US is liberal, progressive and very left leaning. And becoming more so all the time.

Of course there are some moderates in both parties.

Originally Posted by Skybird
Democrats in general are quite left-leaning already, and several of their new hopes who won a seat recently are de facto socialists and "progressives" in the left-leaning understanding of the term, if judging them by their voiced demands and agendas.

The Skybird knows.

The democratic party panders to the poor in the south for sure ... I first noticed this when LBJ was President. Today they want open borders, they want to raise taxes (like they always do) and they talk double talk to the poor to get them to vote for them.

They are as liberal as it gets ... I would say 85% of the party are left wing liberals.

I'm shocked that you overseas folks (except Skybird) would think any different

[Buddahaid]

And very likely the opposite is true for the republican party.

The republican party panders to the rich in the north for sure ... I first noticed this when LBJ was President. Today they want close borders, they want to lower taxes (like they always do) and they talk double talk to the rich to get them to vote for them.

They are as conservative as it gets ... I would say 85% of the party are right wing conservatives.

So it finds some balance where most get something they want and give up something they want. I don't think any of of us really want it any other way.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The democrats will eventually win the day, and Republicans will have been so vilified by then that killing conservatives will eventually be viewed in the same manner as hanging Hitler's henchmen at Nuremburg. After the conservatives are "erased" the USA will become another Venezuela when there isn't anymore wealth to take from somebody else. Not a very nice bedtime story is it?


...and then the Chinese who are in it to win it pay a visit.
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Jiéshù

The fun loving democrats conducting public hangings? Not in your or my lifetime. However, the idea makes for a good futuristic movie.