GER politics thread

[Jimbuna]

Is the price of a human life worth paying though?

If the suspect is found guilty I hope it will bring some form of closure to the victims family.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is the price of a human life worth paying though?

If the suspect is found guilty I hope it will bring some form of closure to the victims family.

How much is a country or a culture allowed to be destroyed to save just a single human's life? Does a life justify to drive a whokle ciontient against the wall?

A life is precious. The human dignity is untouchable, says the first article of the German Basic Law. But I insist on that a single human life is not the navel of the universe.

Its a thing with huge ethical implications, I know it, and you know it as well. But I refuse to put the single life always ahead of all and everythign else, as if nothing and nobody else would exist. A cynic would argue the other way around: with 7.8 billion people on Earth and over 10 billion soon, one life more or less does not matter, the Earth would benefit if it were several billions less.

BTW, I doubt that this single murder will change anything. I want to express that if you push through in a pseudo-totalitarian style your command-policy in an arrogant and haughty style like Merkel'S regime did since 2015, you shall not complain about your harvest being according to how you sowed. The rise of the AFD is part of that harvest, the massive fall of CDU and SPD is another one. And single individuals ticking out and going on killing sprees is also part of it. The only surprise is that somethign like this happened just so late.

What many establishment politicians still have not understood is that there lies a huge danger in the burgeoise middle ground of society more and more tolerating right extremists taking over the role of confronting the regime, since th e4tr9ojdmnaryx citgizen sees that his concerns and hios opinion doe snot get accepted by the estabölishment and the regime heads instead just push thrpough their agenda, no matter what. They contin ue no matter what the spoial middle class thinks of it, becasue said estalbishement canot im,agien that one doers not agree in finding it so fantastic and greta that one would not agree with it. "We are too fanatstric as if one could not love uzs",m is the regime motto, it seems. No wonder then that a silent tolerance for more drastic forms of expressing resistance and rejection grows all around, and becomes en vogue again. Meanwhile, the official regime propaganda slogans more and more almost perfectly copy the slogans and synatx as last heard in the paroles as common in the GDR.

We are heading into a massive clash.


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The deed wa smurder, and the opffender should be punsihed accoprding to the laws for murder. But while I have no personal sympathy for him, in this case I also have no sympathy for his victim.

[Catfish]

And this is why you sympathize with a Neonazi murderer and 'understand' him?
You have lost your marbles.

[Catfish]

By "Die Zeit", besides the "Sueddeutsche Zeitung" one of the best german newspapers (translation by Google)

"Dangerous are not just extremists, but also dangerous are those who fuel the prejudice by creating a climate of contempt."
Yes, by Merkel, and she is perfectly right.

"When the taz made its research on a far-right network of elite soldiers public in the spring - including lists of politicians to be executed on day X - that did not cause as much excitement as the story of the Muslim danger in our midst.
With every new message from far-right policemen, soldiers and intelligence officials, it becomes clearer that the danger in our midst sometimes carries a uniform and a weapon."

https://translate.google.com/transla...mus-sicherheit

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

And this is why you sympathize with a Neonazi murderer and 'understand' him?
You have lost your marbles.

No, you have lost yours, and once again put things into my mouth, like so often before. I explained something, and I said that I have no sympathy for the murderer. And I warned of a danger and pointed at where things mujst lead to if certain things just keep gpoing on just because the government thinks it is without alternative.

Before once again fall victim to your Pavlovian reflexes, read again what I actually said. Not liking Lübcke's and Merkel's primitive top-to-bottom command style arrogance, and sympathising with Nazism, are two very different things. I dislike both equally, and I do not favour the one over the other. The scum from the right I find as disgusting as the scum frorm the left - or the politically correct mainstream hntta gets propagated by the state media today. I do not claim a home amongst all three of them, and I prefer none of them to the others. They all three want to destroy what is dear to me.

And so I encourage them instead to go after each others throat. Call me abusive, if you want, but I thin k like Patton there: if you see your worst three enemies fighting each other, don't disturb them.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

By "Die Zeit", besides the "Sueddeutsche Zeitung" one of the best german newspapers (translation by Google)

The two leading papers of the far left-leaning intellectuals, with strong biases against America, Israel, liberalism, freedom, markets, and a strong love for "growing EU integration", Islamic migration, socialist planning, and general German moral lecturing of the rest of the world. Very popular amongst university graduates of the educating branches: school teachers, university teachers, social-communal planners in govenrment service...

Only rarely I find something in Die Zeit worth to be referred to. And almost never in the Süddeutsche. Amongst the big, superregional main newspapers in Germany, these two are the most biased, left ones. Especially the SZ I would label as a typical propagandistic "Kampfblatt". The lack of journalistic standard is breathtaking. opinion pieces get mistaken with objective report. Or as I once wass told by agem,rna jporunalist, long time ago: "If you cant get a job with any of the other big ones, you ask the SZ and wear a red button on your jacket during the first meeting". And that was already over 20 years ago.

[Catfish]

[...] with strong biases against America, Israel, liberalism, freedom, markets, and a strong love for "growing EU integration", Islamic migration, socialist planning, [...]

Then you must really like PI News.
(Politically Incorrect) · News gegen den Mainstream · Proamerikanisch · Proisraelisch · Gegen die Islamisierung Europas
http://www.pi-news.net/
You think this is more credible than "Die Zeit" or "Sueddeutsche Zeitung"?

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I explained something, and I said that I have no sympathy for the murderer. And I warned of a danger and pointed at where things mujst lead to if certain things just keep gpoing on just because the government thinks it is without alternative.

This is fathomless cynicism. To describe assassination as being inevitable in a imaginary state of emergency is nothing but a mindfart. And the blatant malice, hardly hidden between the lines, unmasks the double standards in your pseudo intellectual reasoning as always.

What goes around, comes around, ey? Ask Mr. Know-It-All, the big bird, for reference...

[Catfish]

@sky i somehow understand your pov but i do not approve, at all.

There has been a shift from common sense and reason to chaos, with the far right showing themselves as the "poor victims of left violence". Yes it's coming up all over Europe, with such geniouses (lmao) like Steve Bannon or Nigel Farage as their brilliant leaders. They call the remainers remoaners, they say that they started "project fear" (with just of all this a$$hole Farage posing in front of a Nazi poster - lmAo)
But i do not need to like that, and i will not play the advocatus diaboli just to wake up our government.
And none of all justifies murder, against someone speaking his mind regardless of his position. Luebcke, in this case.

I cannot remember much recent left-wing violence in Germany, the days of the RaF have long gone. But i do remember right-wing arsonists and burning immigrant shelters, organized attacks by well-funded and -connected right-wing groups. I see useless and uninformed racist bigot hate "blogs" with no responsible publishers and servers in the USA ("PI news"), i do see racism being en vogue again, i see a lot of media turning to the far right, i see secret organisations planning murder of (for them "unwanted") politicians on "day x", and i see a lot of the secret service personnell and the poöice secretly sympathizing with the far right.

If it comes as far that right-wing violence can only be stopped with violence, so be it.
Just looks like the good old Weimar Republic days.

[skidman]

^I beg to differ. The assassination of Luebcke has nothing to do with a "shift from common sense and reason to chaos", nor is it a unescapable consequence of Merkel's policy (as the guillemot put it).

Right wing terror in Europe after WWII is and has always been the outcome of mighty underground organizations working on the removal of the democratic body politic and implementation of fascistic regimes. And it has a long and bloody tradition. Take a closer look at the Oktoberfest-Attentat (Wehrsportgruppe Hoffmann), the Bologna massacre (Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari/Operation Gladio), the 2011 Norway attacks by Anders Breivik (Norsk forsvarsallianse) or the NSU (Combat18/Blood & Honor), to mention only the more brutal incidents. In all theses cases the offender(s) has/have not been lone perpetrator(s), they relied on financial and logistic support by the fascistic background. I bet my lower back that this is true in the latest case as well. Usually the authorities (police and intelligence) fail to solve these cases completely, because there is a tacit compliance within these government bodies at least with the aims of the terrorists and sometimes even with the means to accomplish them.

[Skybird]

Who needs a church like this anymore...? From the German Prostant Church Congress.

https://translate.google.de/translat...ven-malen.html

But the churches are wondering why people flee from them in scores and numbers. The Catholic church already is bad, imo. But the Protestant one is a textbook exmaple for ridicule and thick-headedness (=Doofheit).

They should keep the paintings, however, for use next year: they could be used during the male workshop "Wanking for Christians in context of the revelations of the Glad Tidings".

[Jimbuna]

German Chancellor Angela Merkel was seen trembling once again during a ceremony in Berlin on Thursday, eight days after a similar incident.

Video showed Mrs Merkel, 64, gripping her arms as her body was shaking on Thursday. After about two minutes, she looked steadier and shook hands with the new justice minister.

She was offered a glass of water, but did not drink it.

Mrs Merkel had blamed the previous incident on dehydration.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48784295

Just seen this on the news and felt quite concerned for her.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Just seen this on the news and felt quite concerned for her.

In a turmoil of nationalism, racist and right party uprising she holds up humanity and says "we can take it".
No wonder all hate her

[ikalugin]

I mean considering that she was chancelor for about the same time Putin was president it is not surpring that this took its toll.


It is amusing though how her supposingly center right christian democrat party appears to be nothing of those things.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

I mean considering that she was chancelor for about the same time Putin was president it is not surpring that this took its toll.

You mean Putin is to blame for it just kidding
Well Putin (66) seems fitter, though he's older than Merkel (64)

It is amusing though how her supposingly center right christian democrat party appears to be nothing of those things.

Politically center maybe though some would deny, right definitely not.
(She just incorporated all the SPD's ideas and made it her own, leaving the SPD without any wind in the sails..)
Giving fugitives shelter is a deeply christian notion. And she has been elected democratically.
Unless someone screwed with the elec.. wait ..


Edit: but you are right, the recent CDU is very different (read: more 'left') to the one of, say, 1990. On the other hand, the SPD under chancellor Schroeder did make a hefty right-shift back then. The SPD is now struggling to find is identity - back to the roots or forward to face a new situation.
The SPD and Otto Wels was the only party which stood up and voted against the NSDAP and Hitler in 1933.