I don't like it

[Wilcke]

Originally Posted by privateer

Sounds like a fine base to end this BS.
I'm on board.

I am on board for that and will buy the 1st round of drinks for all.

[clayton]

KPT Lehmann:
This has gone beyond the immature...

I am just as much at fault and quite frankly, tired of posting such negativity when I have been a member of SUBSIM for such a long time and have a wealth of information that I want to share with new members.

[AkbarGulag]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Besides, everybody knows we should dump the U-boats and have I-boats (Japanese submarines) instead!

They only had the longest range and fastest speeds of any submarine fleet in the world (above and below water). Even their torpedo's were excellent. Why would anyone want to enjoy that

[1480]

Finally, quit the friggin B S so people like me (and everyone else) can reap the benefits, of the talented modders that make a game so much more! I PLAY both 3 and 4, the only way I can "pay it forward" (for the new generation) is by buying recordings of old radio programs that are relevant to the time period and offer them (after adding the events file, real friggin work shah, right) to y'all. I look at it and amazed at the work y'all put into these GAMES and have to say THANK YOU for making the whole experience INCREDIBLE. Quit the "he said-she said" nonsense all ready for crimminay sakes.....I have to admit as a first generation American, the PTO game really strikes a chord within me, that sh3 will not. BUT, since my father's birth certificate is from Hamburg, (doesn't speak a lick of German) I am still intrigued. sorry about all the spelling errors, if any...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Wilcke

I am on board for that and will buy the 1st round of drinks for all.

Make mine a large tot of Nelsons blood

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think one core problem is that everyone has a vested interest in "their sub", and think "its the best". Challenge that belief, or insinuate an opposing opinion, and you ruffle feathers; sub simmers are a passionate bunch, Most of us being history geeks, and have a keen interest in something.

Trouble is, many of us only get informed on our "vested interest" because it helps us get into the game more, making the "emotional investment" all that much higher, and as by product, ignorance of the other only increases.

Having an ignorant view of someones vested interest, only polarizes them even further, and they start digging their heels in and push back a little, which only results in the same. The angst many PTO fans have, has been long time in the making. Add in a rather long wait for a PTO sub sim, and then toss in posts like "I dont want yankee-pig boats!" or "I dont want PTO!!!" that were posted on subsim before SH4 was even released, and ice that with snide comments about having beta'ed the game for the "real" campaign (that ignorant view i was talking about), and you have some really upset fans who wont put up with much messageboard BS.

I think The best way for this BS to stop:

1.) Stop with the my boat is better then your boat BS. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and Nobodies opinion will ever change anyway, so stop arguing it.

2.) Do not belittle the other campaign. PARTICUARLLY if you don't know much about it. On that note, one should at least make an attempt to become reasonably informed. (which admittidlly for the PTO is much harder to do since accounts are spread out all over the place.)

3.) Submarine warfare, by defination, is an immoral act. Any attempt to gain the moral highground on ANY BS topics, are rather moot. Uboats were not the shining knights of the sea, and fleetboats got their hands dirty like everybody else.

4.) Don't sterotype. Everybody's done this at some point, including me. If one reguritates the usual, "the US subs had it easy, AC, ice cream, and no danger, not exciting and not signficant!" BS mantra, one should expect to recieive the usual "Hitler and 3rd reich" mantra in return, and vice versa.


My 2 cents.

Best entry by far in this thread. Deal.

Originally Posted by AkbarGulag

They only had the longest range and fastest speeds of any submarine fleet in the world (above and below water). Even their torpedo's were excellent. Why would anyone want to enjoy that

Well, I suppose if you are into waiting at certain locations for fleets that will never come, or simply cargo duty, then a japanese campaign might be interesting. Else I don't see much for players in a japanese boat. Given the high quality of their boats it's really a blow the japanese never really engaged merchant shipping, exceptions proving the rule. But going for allied warships only especially later in the war is pure suicide and not much fun I reckon. But then again, to each their own.

[Rockin Robbins]

What's happening? Did something good just happen? Musta been good! Penelope, please pass the popcorn.

[Penelope_Grey]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

What's happening? Did something good just happen? Musta been good! Penelope, please pass the popcorn.

Well how about that? A U-Boat fan and a Fleet Boat fan sharing popcorn!!!! :hmm:

Woo Hoo!!!

You can have some popcorn if you bring the ice cream!

[Rockin Robbins]

Deal!!!!

[Jimbuna]

HEY!!.......Will this popcorn be German or American made :hmm:







:p

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Well how about that? A U-Boat fan and a Fleet Boat fan sharing popcorn!!!! :hmm:

Woo Hoo!!!

You can have some popcorn if you bring the ice cream!

Hey, as long as we got popcorn and ice cream, what movie are we watching? Das Boot? Run Silent Run Deep? Lets do a double feature!

Need beer to wash down the popcorn:hmm:. Let's host a intergalactic kegger!

[Rockin Robbins]

German popcorn, American ice cream, British beer, need something Dutch and some Japanese saki. The more I see Das Boot the less I like it. Let's do Run Silent Run Deep and heckle all the mistakes!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I miss all the good parties.

Will be there as soon as the room stops spinning.

[AVGWarhawk]

I love Das Boot. IMO a very good movie and a good representation of how it was RR. Well, as good a representation we can get for two hours.

KL, have some REAL rum cake. It will knock you out for a good 12 hours and you will wake up all better! I can atest to that! A nice Jamaican women I knew way back when used to make it for me when I was under the weather. Best medicine out there