LOMAC vs Falcon 4.0 AF

Enigma · 12-04-06, 03:25 PM

Ok, jet heads...

which do you think is the better sim, and why?

TteFAboB · 12-04-06, 05:35 PM

Falcon 4 AF because LOMAC bores me with repetitiveness and boring missions sooner than F4.

LOMAC looks much better though. I need a flight sim with LOMAC's graphics and an improved F4 Campaign.

The Noob · 12-04-06, 08:13 PM

Falcon 4 AF pwnz0rs all.

Why? That sh***y LOMAC refuses to work with my sound and graphics card.

NeonSamurai · 12-04-06, 11:13 PM

If LOMAC had F4's campaign engine, i would probably like it alot better then i do atm. I just cannot stand canned missions. It also the same reason why i generaly dont play Dangerous Waters and other modern subsims from Sonalysts (it is my only gripe with their games though. I realy realy wish they would finaly put in some sort of dynamic campaign along the lines of SH3 or F4)

As for F4 in many ways i think the original F4 with the various super patches is better then AF.

gamers2000 · 01-19-07, 03:32 AM

I'll prolly get the same treatment as Bernard for saying this,but FS9 FTW!

CCIP · 01-19-07, 01:33 PM

Yes indeed BERNARD

What does FS9 even have to do with this discussion

Sulikate · 01-19-07, 01:51 PM

I never played F4, but I like LOMAC a lot

CCIP · 01-19-07, 02:27 PM

Also, since this thread is back up, the real answer is 'apples and oranges'. Their feature sets are totally different.

LOMAC has excellent graphics, a larger flyable plane set, and is certainly more accessible.

As far as simulation fidelity, well, F4 is a true study sim for the F-16. There's never been a game that simulates a fighter plane in better detail, and I wonder if there ever will be. That said, even AF is a significant step back in graphics, and unless you enjoy mastering hundreds of buttons and functions before being able to really get your value out of the campaign, then this is not a game for you.

As far as my own preferences, well, I guess it might be easy to tell - LOMAC I tried to get into 4 times already and still cannot; Falcon 4.0 is presently celebrating its 8th anniversary on my hard drive

Chaotic42 · 01-28-07, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Also, since this thread is back up, the real answer is 'apples and oranges'. Their feature sets are totally different.

LOMAC has excellent graphics, a larger flyable plane set, and is certainly more accessible.

As far as simulation fidelity, well, F4 is a true study sim for the F-16. There's never been a game that simulates a fighter plane in better detail, and I wonder if there ever will be. That said, even AF is a significant step back in graphics, and unless you enjoy mastering hundreds of buttons and functions before being able to really get your value out of the campaign, then this is not a game for you.

As far as my own preferences, well, I guess it might be easy to tell - LOMAC I tried to get into 4 times already and still cannot; Falcon 4.0 is presently celebrating its 8th anniversary on my hard drive

That sums up my feelings word for word. I had *huge* hopes for LOMAC. I've never been more disappointed in a game.

CCIP · 01-28-07, 12:56 PM

I don't know if 'disappointed' would be the right word for me - ever since they announced that the game would have a static campaign and a non-clickable cockpit, I already knew in advance that it would not be in the same class as Falcon. There's certainly fun to be had there, but... I can't dig deep enough to reach it, apparently.

Those two things are honestly the biggest design mistakes for a modern simulator and I hope no future title tries to repeat them, or even BOTH of them simultaneously. I think SHIII is proving how a dynamic campaign can make or break a good sim (and in SHIII's case, it's even just quasi-dynamic, but still makes it so much more than just torpedo-shooting); as for the cockpits, just because it works for the bucket-of-bolts IL-2 planes (at the expense of detail), doesn't mean it'll work for an F-15.

Again, though, depends on what you want. If it's graphics and more plane variety, LOMAC it is. But in my view, F4's campaign and cockpit are worth all the graphics and all the planes of LOMAC, many times over.

SparrowHawk · 02-20-10, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

Ok, jet heads...

which do you think is the better sim, and why?

Hey, Enigma!

One Word: Falcon4. It is the pinnacle of flight sims.

Why?

Depth, intelligence, and fun. Not just strap me in and shoot them when you see the whites of their eyes! LOL

As a piece of software F4.0 is not a game. It tries to simulate a dynamic, evolving environment, in which the player is just a part (albeit an important one).

It's structure is very complex, and show a lot od work & talent have gone into its design and implementation. Pitty it never got finished the way it was intended. But a lot of good people have put into it so much that it is still alive today!

I also have LockOn, it is not bad, and in it's own way also has some unique and enjoyable aspects. But the two are of different class and weight altogether.

If F4 continues to flourish - thanks to the dev teams - it may even rival todays Flight Sims : which mostly have superior graphics, in my opinion.

Happy flying!

SH

SparrowHawk · 02-20-10, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Falcon 4 AF because LOMAC bores me with repetitiveness and boring missions sooner than F4.

LOMAC looks much better though. I need a flight sim with LOMAC's graphics and an improved F4 Campaign.

You may wish to try out Free Falcon5 or Open Falcon 4.7

Can't be beat....any way there is nothing available that offers what you need.

SH

12-04-06, 03:25 PM	#1
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12-04-06, 05:35 PM	#2
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Falcon 4 AF because LOMAC bores me with repetitiveness and boring missions sooner than F4. LOMAC looks much better though. I need a flight sim with LOMAC's graphics and an improved F4 Campaign. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

12-04-06, 11:13 PM	#4
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	If LOMAC had F4's campaign engine, i would probably like it alot better then i do atm. I just cannot stand canned missions. It also the same reason why i generaly dont play Dangerous Waters and other modern subsims from Sonalysts (it is my only gripe with their games though. I realy realy wish they would finaly put in some sort of dynamic campaign along the lines of SH3 or F4) As for F4 in many ways i think the original F4 with the various super patches is better then AF. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

01-19-07, 01:33 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yes indeed BERNARD What does FS9 even have to do with this discussion __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

01-19-07, 01:51 PM	#7
Sulikate Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Korea Posts: 834 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I never played F4, but I like LOMAC a lot __________________ Se flutua e não fala quack, afunde-o!

12-04-06, 08:13 PM	#3
The Noob The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: de_dust2 Posts: 1,417 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Falcon 4 AF pwnz0rs all. Why? That sh***y LOMAC refuses to work with my sound and graphics card.

01-19-07, 03:32 AM	#5
gamers2000 Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 68 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I'll prolly get the same treatment as Bernard for saying this,but FS9 FTW!

01-19-07, 02:27 PM	#8
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Also, since this thread is back up, the real answer is 'apples and oranges'. Their feature sets are totally different. LOMAC has excellent graphics, a larger flyable plane set, and is certainly more accessible. As far as simulation fidelity, well, F4 is a true study sim for the F-16. There's never been a game that simulates a fighter plane in better detail, and I wonder if there ever will be. That said, even AF is a significant step back in graphics, and unless you enjoy mastering hundreds of buttons and functions before being able to really get your value out of the campaign, then this is not a game for you. As far as my own preferences, well, I guess it might be easy to tell - LOMAC I tried to get into 4 times already and still cannot; Falcon 4.0 is presently celebrating its 8th anniversary on my hard drive __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart) Last edited by CCIP; 01-19-07 at 02:38 PM.

01-28-07, 12:56 PM	#10
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't know if 'disappointed' would be the right word for me - ever since they announced that the game would have a static campaign and a non-clickable cockpit, I already knew in advance that it would not be in the same class as Falcon. There's certainly fun to be had there, but... I can't dig deep enough to reach it, apparently. Those two things are honestly the biggest design mistakes for a modern simulator and I hope no future title tries to repeat them, or even BOTH of them simultaneously. I think SHIII is proving how a dynamic campaign can make or break a good sim (and in SHIII's case, it's even just quasi-dynamic, but still makes it so much more than just torpedo-shooting); as for the cockpits, just because it works for the bucket-of-bolts IL-2 planes (at the expense of detail), doesn't mean it'll work for an F-15. Again, though, depends on what you want. If it's graphics and more plane variety, LOMAC it is. But in my view, F4's campaign and cockpit are worth all the graphics and all the planes of LOMAC, many times over. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)