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[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Such a small, harmless sentence

Not sure what you mean

[Catfish]

It made the prize regulation impossible. Full text of "International law documents : regulation of maritime warfare, 1925" , from 40 on (but not only)

https://archive.org/stream/internati...5nava_djvu.txt

[Aktungbby]

INDEED!

If an armed merchant ship of the enemy makes armed resistance to measures of the right of prize, such resistance is to be
broken with all means. The responsibility for any damages which
the ship, cargo, and passengers may thereby suffer rests with the
enemy government. The crew are to be treated as prisoners of war.
The passengers are to be released, except when they have demon-
strably taken part in the resistance. In the latter case, the procedure
extraordinary to the laws of war is to be employed against them. —
Ger. App. P. C. 1914.

[Catfish]

^ This, also including neutral merchants (certainly carrying contraband) into allied convoys. Next, Q-ships. History is still being blurred, and intentionally so.


edit: but i did not mean that a controlling ship had the international right to treat the armed "civilian" vessel as a military ship, treat the crew as military, and sink it (which is bad enough). We know that german U-boat commanders usually did not deliberately target and kill the crew, both wars.

What i mean is, just like in WW1, the arming of civilian merchants (making them military ships, with a military (if small) crew to fire the guns) broke international law.
By this international law a military ship was allowed to stop and search neutral merchant vessels for contraband and then take it as a prize or sink it, and even sink enemy merchants without hailing in certain areas! Complicated enough with british merchants notoriously running under false flags.

This was a "nice" move by british politics, since the sinking of any "neutral" ship could instantly be used for propaganda and blamed on those brutish germans. Truth is, they cheated, and let the outcome be carried on the shoulders of civilian crews. And the propaganda is still strong.

Truth is that even obvious enemy allied merchants were usually stopped, the crew allowed to leave ship, and only then sunk. Also in WW2.
But the armament of merchants, and the running of neutral ships carrying contraband in enemy convoys, made the prize regulation impossible. A U-boat could not risk to surface and stop a surface merchant, when one shot could sink the boat.

[Jimbuna]

1898 USS Maine sinks in Havana harbor, cause unknown, 258 sailors die.

1936 Hitler announce building of Volkswagens (the People's Car, aka the Kaefer/beetle).

1939 German battleship Bismarck was launched.

1942 German U-boat shells Antillian oil refinery.

1942 World War II: British ruled Singapore surrenders to the Japanese.

1944 Attack begins at Monte Cassino monastery, Italy.

1952 King George VI is buried in St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, England.

1971 After 1,200 years Great Britain abandons pence & shilling system for decimal currency.

[Jimbuna]

600 Pope Gregory the Great decrees saying "God bless You" is the correct response to a sneeze.

1916 The US rejects the right of Germany and Austria-Hungary to sink armed merchant ships.

1916 The German ambassador in Washington announces that Germany will pay an indemnity for American lives lost on the Lusitania.

1923 Howard Carter opens the inner burial chamber of the Pharaoh Tutankhamun's tomb and finds the sarcophagus.

1940 British search plane finds German supply ship Altmark, used to accommodate aliied sailors from vessles sunk by the Graf Spee, off Norway.

1942 German submarines attack Aruba oil refinery.

1942 Bangka Island massacre: Japanese soldiers machine-gun 22 Australian Army nurses and 60 Australian and British soldiers and crew members from two sunken ships. Only one nurse and two soldiers survive.

1960 US nuclear submarine USS Triton set off on underwater round-world trip.

2006 The last Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH) is decommissioned by the United States Army.

[Jimbuna]

1936 The world's first superhero, The Phantom, a cartoon strip by Lee Falk, makes his first appearance in comics.

1940 Crew of the British destroyer Cossack board German Altmark in Jøssingfjord, Norway, and realised 299 British prisoners after hand-to-hand fighting with bayonets and the last recorded Royal Naval action with cutlass.

1972 British Parliament votes to join the European Common Market.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

1936 The world's first superhero,.....

WRONG! 1864: CSS Hunley with eight intrepid super heroes (of crew #3!!??-the first 2, incl. owner/inventor Horace Hunley himself, had died in previous experiments.....) <sink the USS Housatonic in Charlston Harbor leading (ultimately) to the creation of !https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/civil-war-submarine-hunley-crew/index.html Additionally: the invention of electronic submarine warfare:

The Hunley continues to prove that she was a high-tech machine that was generations ahead of her time.” Over the course of the submarine’s excavation, scientists have found a number of tantalizing clues that point to a battery being aboard the Hunley. A metal plate was recovered near Hunley commander Lt. George Dixon’s station. The plate is approximately 4 inches wide, 16 inches long, 1/8 of an inch thick, and has a series of holes running along its perimeter, meaning it was most likely mounted to something or one component of a much larger device.
Preliminary surface analysis of the plate shows it has zinc and copper elements, the two main ingredients needed for a 19th century battery.
For a battery to be used to send an electric charge to detonate the torpedo, wire connecting the energy source to the torpedo would have been needed, and there is no shortage of wire on the sub. Near the plate, scientists found a copper wire with a looped end and there is a large spool of deteriorated wire hanging from the upper bulkhead in the forward ballast tank. If the plate proves to be part of a battery, the wire remnants recovered may have been part of the overall construction of an electric detonation system for the torpedo.
“All this wire was found within reach of Lt. Dixon, the man responsible for detonating the torpedo,”

https://hunley.org/2005/06/24/hunley-torpedo-may-have-been-electrically-detonated/ < On April 17, 2004 the remains of the crew were laid to rest at Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston, South Carolina.Tens of thousands of people attended including some 6,000 reenactors and 4,000 civilians wearing period clothing. Color guards from all five branches of the U.S. armed forces—wearing modern uniforms—were also in the procession. Even though only two of the crew were from Confederate States all were buried with full Confederate honors, including being buried with the 2nd Confederate national flag. https://today.duke.edu/2017/08/confederate-submarine-crew-killed-their-own-weapon

[mapuc]

Sorry for interrupting your discussion

The Phantom is a phantasy figure

While the crew of CSS Hunley was, depending on which side you were in the civil war, real life heroes.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

^TRUE THAT! BUT ONE FAMOUS CIVIL WAR HISTORIAN DECLARED THE CONFEDERACY...."DIED OF A THEORY"! THEORIES ARE OFTEN FANTASIES ERGO IMHO:

Of all New World slave societies, the Confederacy stood alone in predicating its very existence on the ideological defense of slavery, and thus rendering slaves’ military service a contradiction in terms. No other Atlantic slave power — not even the Brazilian planters who stood largely unopposed within their nation until the 1870s — so fiercely constructed ideological defenses of slavery as a legitimate, and indeed beneficial, modern social institution. And so, likewise, the Confederacy stood alone in contradicting the Atlantic norm of trading slaves service for freedom.
This proved to be a critical weakness, uniquely condemning the slave power of the Confederacy to be undone by the very institution it sought most to conserve. In 1865, Confederate congressman Howell Cobb of Georgia rebuked those who called for the Confederacy’s enlistment of black soldiers: “The day you make soldiers of them is the beginning of the end of the revolution. If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Confederate President Jefferson Davis demurred: “If the Confederacy falls there should be written on its tombstone, ‘Died of a theory.’”

THE SUBMARINE WAS BUILT TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE; IMPROVED BY AN IRISHMAN JOHN PHILIP HOLLAND TO ASSIST HIS FENIAN BROTHER MICHEALL 2 "RAM IT HOME' AGAINST ENGLAND; ADAPTED BY THE KAISER, 1914, 2 ESTABLISH 'GERMANY'S PLACE IN THE SUN' (again against the Royal British Navy) WITH POLITICALLY INCORRECT UNRESTRICTED WARFARE THAT AT THE TIME WAS OUTRAGEOUS ...SUBMARINE WARFARE OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY IS LARGLY BASED ON PHANTASY THAT VICTORY IS POSSIBLE. ADM. DOENITZ NEVER CAME CLOSE; AND EVEN THE AMERICAN EFFORT AGAINST JAPAN NEEDED TO BE TOPPED OFF WITH 'THE BOMB' TO AVERT A MILLION-CASUALTY LANDING IN THE JAPANESE HOME ISLANDS.....

[Jimbuna]

1901 Winston Churchill makes his maiden speech in the British House of Commons.

1977 Space Shuttle above a Boeing 747 goes on its maiden flight.

2016 Pope Francis questions US Presidential hopeful Donald Trump's Christianity over his call to build a wall on the Mexican border.

[Jimbuna]

1906 Will Keith Kellogg and Charles D. Bolin found the Battle Creek Toasted Corn Flake Company, now the multinational food manufacturer Kellogg's.

1910 Typhoid Mary [Mary Mallon] is freed from her first periods of forced isolation and goes on to cause several further outbreaks of typhoid in the New York area.

1914 Four-year old Charlotte May Pierstorff mailed by train from Grangeville, Idaho to her grandparents’ house 73 miles away in most famous 'child in the post' instance.

1942 About 150 Japanese warplanes attack the Australian city of Darwin.

1945 US 5th Fleet launches invasion of Iwo Jima against the Japanese with 30,000 US Marines.

1945 980 Japanese soldiers reportedly killed by crocodiles in 2 days on Ramree Island, Burma.

1964 UK flies ½ ton of The Beatles wigs to the US.

[Catfish]

Regarding "superheroes", this is a term for comics, not real life. By all courage and spirit, labelling them as such seems wrong for me

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

[...] ASSIST HIS FENIAN BROTHER MICHEALL 2 "RAM IT HOME' AGAINST ENGLAND; ADAPTED BY THE KAISER, 1914, 2 ESTABLISH 'GERMANY'S PLACE IN THE SUN' (again against the Royal British Navy) [...]

The Kaiser wanted no war, but demanded the same rights as other nations of the time, read: colonies. He did neither intend to invade England, nor attack the Royal Navy. Nor did he intend to concquer the world (shown in all those nice Entente propaganda posters of the time), which b.t.w. England had already done

WITH POLITICALLY INCORRECT UNRESTRICTED WARFARE THAT AT THE TIME WAS OUTRAGEOUS ...

No. It never really was unrestricted. It was sold as such to the german population, and gladly adopted by enemy propaganda. I can explain this, but this will take some time. It also explains some of the fury, after Versailles.

P.S: those Aktung's red colors are killing me when trying to quote

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I agree

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

1945 980 Japanese soldiers reportedly killed by crocodiles in 2 days on Ramree Island, Burma.

When the British outflanked a Japanese stronghold, the 900 defenders abandoned the base and marched to join a larger battalion of Japanese soldiers across the island. The route took the Japanese across 16 kilometres (9.9 mi) of mangrove swamp and as they struggled through it, the British encircled the area. Trapped in deep mud-filled land, tropical diseases soon started to afflict the soldiers, as did scorpions, tropical mosquitoes and saltwater crocodiles. Some British soldiers, including naturalist Bruce Stanley Wright who participated in the battle:

That night [of the 19 February 1945] was the most horrible that any member of the M. L. [motor launch] crews ever experienced. The scattered rifle shots in the pitch black swamp punctured by the screams of wounded men crushed in the jaws of huge reptiles, and the blurred worrying sound of spinning crocodiles made a cacophony of hell that has rarely been duplicated on earth. At dawn the vultures arrived to clean up what the crocodiles had left.... Of about one thousand Japanese soldiers that entered the swamps of Ramree, only about twenty were found alive.

< saltwater crocodile whether completely true or not..it wasn't called Nipponese fer nuthin!

[Jimbuna]

1938 UK Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden resigns stating Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain has appeased Nazi Germany.

1938 Adolf Hitler announces his support for Japan during the Sino-Japanese War.

1941 First transport of Jews to concentration camps leave Plotsk Poland.

1942 Lt E H O'Hare single-handedly shoots down 5 Japanese heavy bombers, becomes America's first World War II flying ace.

1947 Earl Mountbatten of Burma appointed as last viceroy of India to oversee the move to independence.

1959 The Avro Arrow program to design and manufacture supersonic jet fighters in Canada is cancelled by the Diefenbaker government amid much political debate.

1962 John Glenn become 1st American to orbit the Earth, aboard Friendship 7.