UK Politics Thread

[STEED]

I hear Spain has rejected the brexit deal. Well that's a rap....




Jezzer is getting ready for his move to No.10 as the Tory's rip themselves apart and the DUP look like calling it a day.

[Jimbuna]

Stumbling blocks remain over UK access to the EU single market, access to UK waters for EU boats and Gibraltar.

[STEED]

A group of MPs have been reprimanded for playing football in the chamber of the House of Commons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-46289456

Well done ladies best thing for that dumb dumb shouting shop.

The government borrowed far more than analysts expected in October, the first figures to be published since Philip Hammond's Budget last month show.

The deficit rose to £8.8bn from £7.2bn last year, marking the biggest October figure for three years, and well above the £6.1bn forecast.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46287887

Looks like spend spend is back in town maybe. Nov/Dec figures will be interesting to see if it goes back down or up.

[STEED]

Theresa May's support agreement with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) to keep her minority government in power is not dead, Arlene Foster has said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...itics-46296659


Hope or more money only time will tell.

[Jimbuna]

The EU and UK have agreed a draft agreement on their future relationship, paving the way for a Brexit deal to be finalised this weekend.

The political declaration - outlining how trade, security and other issues will work - has been "agreed in principle", the European Council says.

London and Brussels have already agreed the draft terms of the UK's exit from the EU on 29 March 2019.

Theresa May will make a statement to MPs later on Thursday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46300247

I still don't see Brexit getting passed by Parliament and even more worrying is the fact that the PM is now making mention of a non Brexit.

[Skybird]

The EU court shall continue to oversee EU laws. But the point of Brexit is that in principle EU laws shall no longer apply to the UK. Why this effort then to have the EU court involved? It sole role is to monitor issues regardig EU-internal laws and adminstration conflicts. Its an internal club gremium, no international (beyond EU) gremium.


I think since long that May always has seen it as her task to prevent Brexit while doing it in a way that she gets away with this ignorration of the referendum. She was against Brexit before the rferendum, right? And over night she changed from Paul to Saul? Tomorrow morning I will wake up and suddenly be a millionaire!


The Brexit process shall be torpedoed - I think this has been the hidden agenda from all beginning on.

[Catfish]

^ That is strange, as far as i know brexit was mostly for 'patriotic reasons', aka border control.

"The prime minister has a better grasp of political reality than either the hard Brexiters or Tory remainers. Theresa May’s Brexit deal is almost exactly what the UK voted for."

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...itical-reality

If the deal will be cancelled by the UK parliament.. i still propose that Johnson, Farage and Bannon make the hard brexit. Then it is at least clear who has been responsible all the time, for the following mess.

[Skybird]

Exit means exit. Leave. End. Escape. Letout. There is no alternative meaning of the term. A bit of exiting and a bit of staying, no. Exit means exit. You're either in, or out.

Anyhow, I still cannot see how May gets this through the House.

P.S. I just read Der Spiegel. They write about the 26 pages draft: "Anyone who reads the paper might think that the British wanted to join the Union instead of leaving it."

No, May never was the right figure to see Brexit through. She has been the infiltrator that sneaked in to prevent it. And all her manouvering is only meant to help her getting away with it.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I think since long that May always has seen it as her task to prevent Brexit while doing it in a way that she gets away with this ignorration of the referendum. She was against Brexit before the rferendum, right? And over night she changed from Paul to Saul?


The Brexit process shall be torpedoed - I think this has been the hidden agenda from all beginning on.

Originally Posted by Skybird

No, May never was the right figure to see Brexit through. She has been the infiltrator that sneaked in to prevent it. And all her manouvering is only meant to help her getting away with it.

Good points and those I have a tendancy to agree with but should they become reality then that will be the end of May and the Tory party for years to come. Then heaven forbid, enter Corbyn and the loony left.

Either way the UK would be no more.

[STEED]

May lusted for power and nothing more, clearly she was the better candidate but not for Brexit as she has been exposed for meddling when Davis stepped down a few months ago. The whole thing is a bloody mess thanks to May and her...ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.

Career politicians are the worst politicians as they just don't care.

So the EU says Germany and France are heading, GB is like Rome just "history".

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bleiente

So the EU says Germany and France are heading, GB is like Rome just "history".

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Not certain I understood what you mean here, but if you think the UK and the decline of Rome compare, I would recommend to you to read this

https://www.amazon.de/Auf-dem-Weg-in...2917134&sr=1-1

to understand that a comparison of the Roman change from Republic to Empire and the contemporary EU either turning into an autocratic empire as well or degenerating even further into a cultural trifle busy with self-deconstruction and intellectual self-perversion, is the far more appropriate comparison. The parallels are stunning. The perverting of cultural key values back then as well as today, for similiar reasons, is stunning as well. And desillusionising. We endlessly relativise and accuse oruselves, until we have no more underatabndign for who we are and why we should even want to defend out identity.


But the others who are our opponents and all too often our rivals and even enemies, do not suffer from this chronified degenerative process, and know damn well who they are and where the tolerance end and why they want what has been ours which we now have decided to no longer defend. It needs not much imagination how this confrontation must necessarily end, and it will be no good end for Europe any way.

I compare the EU to the Titanic. Arrogance claims it is unsinkable. Incompetent decisions on the bridge lead it into the self-destroying event, at too high speed. Inappropriate design of the rudders prevent greater flexibility and manouverability to repair the fatal deicisons. Absence of friends prevent rescue operations in time. But the ship band plays until the end. And the end will be a civil war between the rich and poor passengers, and riots at the too few rescue boats, before most people just jump into the dark cold water.

Heil Merkel im moralgetränkten Siegerkranze! She has maximised the German vulnerabilities and dependencies, and has done essential construction work and preparation for the EU turning into an empire, necessarily, in a last bid to escape the maelstrom that it has created all by itself.


Friedrich August Hayek: "Few are ready to recognize that the rise of fascism and Nazism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies." And: "It is indeed probable that more harm and misery have been caused by men determined to use coercion to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May is to appeal to the public to back the UK's proposed Brexit deal as Spain demands last-minute changes on future decisions over Gibraltar.

The PM will take to the airwaves to make the case for the agreement, which is opposed by Labour and many Tory MPs.

The terms of withdrawal and declaration on future relations are expected to be signed off by member states on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46312909

Sounds like an act of desperation to me. I'd like to see this whole mess over with asap before she gives anything else away, presuming of course there is anything else left.

[Catfish]

Apart from May, does England have a negotiating position?

[Jimbuna]

It wouldn't appear so but the threat of rejection by Parliament and a no Brexit will probably bring someone out of the woodwork.

I wonder which rock Boris is hiding under?