UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall

I just read that PM now says he did cut up the corpse of Kim Wall but he still pleads innocent on the murder charges. Jesus Christ. I'm really starting to think that the Japanese woman they found back in '86 likely is PM too with him looking more and more like some kind of stone cold psycho. That picture of him at the harbour is quite haunting

[Carotio]

http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2018-01-...-i-ubaadssagen

The police has decided not to use any further investigation time to search for the missing mobile phones. According to the article, the police has the opinion that it has enough material to make a full charge on PM for the trial.

The trial will start March 8th, and presumely, there will be a verdict April 25th.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Dahoon

I just read that PM now says he did cut up the corpse of Kim Wall but he still pleads innocent on the murder charges.

Given his defense teams very limited options, this is probably the best move his team could have taken.

[Carotio]

https://ekstrabladet.dk/112/efter-pr...m-wall/6999605

The police has published a part of the indictment today. According to this, PM has given KW stabwounds while she was still alive. And the stabwounds were in and around the vagina.
He will be prosecuted for murder, improper handling of a corpse and another sexual relation than intercourse. Plus some violations of sea laws.
In the indictment, the police states that PM planned and prepared the murder of KW. The extact way is still unknown but probably by strangulation or cutting the throat.
According to a mental examination of PM, he has been judged fit for a normal emprisonment, but with the option of custody/preventive detention.
The prosecutor may go for the last one.


https://ekstrabladet.dk/112/tidliger...bevise/6999386

A former homicide investigator chief at the police says that it's most important for the police now to prove that the murder was planned and prepared. The fact of having the saw and the metal tubes onboard indicates some sort of planning.
This chief thinks the prosecutor will go for custody or life in prison, which shows the importance of this case. He may be considered to be too dangerous to release.
And if he will be sentenced to custody, the chances of him getting out again are quite low.


https://ekstrabladet.dk/112/anklager...-ubaad/6999575

If PM is sentenced to be guilty, the police and the prosecutor will most likely ask for UC3 Nautilus to be confiscated and destroyed. A crime will then have been taken place onboard, and that would be the reason for the destruction of the uboat.

PM and his attorney has now received the indictment, and they have been reading it together. 7 days later, January 23rd, the full version can be given to the medias. However, the prosecutor hopes that for the sake of the family of KW and for the case in court, that not all of it is revealed untill during the case in court.


To be continued....

[Platapus]

I am not familiar with the statutes in that jurisdiction.

Is there a risk of the prosecution losing the trial if they can't prove premeditation?

I wonder if they have the option of what we call here in the US as Second Degree Murder which does not require proving premeditation.

[mapuc]

@ Platapus

I have copied some information from a Danish homepage(strafferetshjelpen.dk

Here is what it says about murder(killing)

"Killing can occur either as intentional killing or negligent killing.

Penal Code does not distinguish between murder (killing) and killing.
What distinguishes intentional killing and negligent killing is the purpose of the action. If the action has not been taken to kill, but the act has resulted in death, there is no intentional killing, but there may be negligent killing.

Intentional killing is the most serious crime in Danish law. Criminal justice is from 5 years of imprisonment to life. Often the punishment for killing without mitigating circumstances is life time or 16 years in prison.

An attorney would not take a case to the court if he or she wasn't 100 % if they would win the case. And they wouldn't do this if they didn't have waterproof evidence.

Don't know if this is what you was asking for.

Markus

Just a bit of titbits about the process for anyone interested that isn't from Denmark:

Wikipedia: Retslægerådet is a Danish institution under the Ministry of Justice (Denmark). Its job is to guide the authority body on medical questions in perspective of law and justice. The council gave up to 2000 advice in 2006 concerning justice cases. Most of their cases are about psychiatry.

Retslægerådet has accessed from the psychological profile made on PM that he should be sentenced to "forvaring" if found guilty. It is up to the court if they agree. "Forvaring" (roughly translates to custody or containment) means he will be put in jail and after five years the courts have to decide if he is still dangerous. If so he will stay in jail and the case will be brought up in court every two years until he is either not dangerous any more or he is dead. A "Forvaring" sentence also means it wasn't caused by some mental problem and a cure won't get you out of jail. You somehow have to stop being a danger to others...

As a comparison Peter Lundin -who strangled his mother to death in North Carolina, USA and after he was transferred to Denmark killed three more people, cut them up with an angle grinder and tried to hide them- was "only" sentenced to life in prison. So going for "Forvaring" is quite a statement to the prosecuters opinion on how dangerous PM is. It is the same kind of sentence the right-wing terrorist Anders Breivik is serving in Norway.


Awful source linked above by the way. "Ekstra Bladet" is a tabloid like The Sun. If anyone wants to read Google translated news I recommend DR.dk instead but The Guardian's article would be just as good.

[Obltn Strand]

Is Danish legal system similar as in Sweden? If so ours is similar too and punishments he is about receive are roughly the same.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

@ Platapus
Don't know if this is what you was asking for.

Markus

It helps. Thanks for explaining it.

Originally Posted by Obltn Strand

Is Danish legal system similar as in Sweden? If so ours is similar too and punishments he is about receive are roughly the same.

As far as I know laws in Denmark and Sweden are almost identical. Sweden is usually ahead of Denmark so my guess would be like Swedish laws 10+ years ago. The only major differences I know of is the punishments, where some things are for cultural reasons not punished as bad in Denmark as in Sweden. Like drunk driving where higher blood alcohol is allowed in Denmark because we are stupid.

[Obltn Strand]

Don't know about blood alcohol level. We have the same.

I read some wicked crap about bondage and torture from todays newspaper.

[Rip]

The Swedish journalist who was last seen alive boarding a homemade submarine in August was tied up and tortured by a Danish inventor who then murdered her, according to an indictment released Tuesday.

Danish prosecutors said inventor Peter Madsen planned Kim Wall's murder by bringing a saw, screwdrivers, strips and pipes, which were used to hit, cut and stab the 30-year-old while she was alive, according to the indictment obtained by Reuters.

Madsen, 47, is charged with murder, dismemberment and indecent handling of a corpse for the way he disposed of Wall's body. He is also charged with having sexual relations of "particularly dangerous nature" with Wall. The charges were made public last Tuesday, but not in detail.

Wall's cause of death has not yet been determined, but prosecutors said she died by either strangulation or the cutting of her throat. Prosecutor Jakob Buch-Jepsen said last Tuesday the case is "very unusual and extremely gross."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01...er-on-sub.html

[mapuc]

About the different between Danish and Swedish law

Denmark:
When a person is arrested by the Danish police, they can keep this person arrested for max 24 hours then they have to take the person to a judge who decide if the police has enough to keep him arrested or if they shall release him. In most cases the judge follow the police and send the suspect back in jail, mostly because they fear the suspect could destroy evidence or the police have already enough but need more time.

Sweden:
If a person is arrested by the Swedish police, it's the prosecutor who decide if the suspect shall be in custody or released and this shall happen 12 hour after the suspect have been arrested.
The prosecutor can keep a suspect arrested 3-4 days before the suspect has to meet a judge, who then decide if the person shall stay ind custody or release.

So there is a different between these two countries.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

Danish Inventor Tortured Journalist Kim Wall Before Killing Her on Submarine, Prosecutors Say

Danish inventor Peter Madsen tortured Swedish journalist Kim Wall before killing her aboard his private submarine in August, prosecutors said.

The charges against Madsen, which include murder, dismemberment and indecent handling of a corpse, were made public on January 16.

A charge sheet obtained on Tuesday by the Associated Press alleged Wall's murder had been premeditated because Madsen brought "tools" he normally did not take on submarine trips.

[Catfish]

This is a nightmare.
I wonder how much lunatics are among us, looking perfectly normal, from the outside.
Better not think of this.. poor girl, and what a lunatic