CH Fighterstick

Camaero · 07-26-07, 02:13 PM

Just curious, if I buy a CH Fighterstick and the CH Throttle, but I can't also afford the rudder pedals, what can I use? Will I lose the great rudder control I have with my X45 if I get this new stick without the pedals?
Thanks.

Chock · 07-26-07, 03:18 PM

Depends on which sim you use it with I guess. Some sims will support multiple joysticks at the same time (FS for example), others won't like it at all, although a splitter might be able to get it working in other sims. Whenever I've tried doing stuff like that, sometimes it's worked, sometimes not, so I think it's a case of 'suck it and see' which isn't ideal given the cost of stuff like that.
But even if that was the case and it worled (which I think is likely), presumably what your're talking about is having throttle on one stick, control surfaces on another (apart from rudder), and rudder on yet another stick, for a total of three sticks. Which sounds a bit cumbersome to me, but if you could put up with it, then I suppose that'd be okay.
I imagine you could put up with having 'automatic rudder' selected, which many sims will let you use, but that makes sideslipping impossible.

Chock

Camaero · 07-26-07, 04:20 PM

Well my main sim is IL2. I always fly on online servers that are full switch so I definitely need a rudder to taxi and also sometimes to set up quick shots.

I guess I can probably use the throttle lever that is on the Fighterstick as a rudder, but I don't know how easily I can reach it. I guess I would have to take my hand off of the throttle and move it to the stick to kick the rudder.

I don't know if that combination would overall make me a better pilot or a worse pilot.

My x45 stick was always so jerky from the super stiff spring that I always used the rudder to help kick the plane back to where I wanted it to be for a shot. Maybe I won't need the rudder so often if the Fighterstick is as smooth as most people say it is?

I always use it to ease the plane around while flying formation too though.... Ugh... I don't know.

Chock · 07-26-07, 06:16 PM

I'd ask on AVSIM or SIMHQ in one of the relevant forums if I were you, there's a better chance that someone would have tried what you are considering will see such a post.

www.avsim.com

www.simhq.com

Chock

NeonSamurai · 07-26-07, 07:24 PM

Well as im sure you know the ch stick doesnt have a twist rudder, nor does the throttle have any kind of purpose built rudder support. Trying to use a second stick with the first stick would be a waste of time realy, and you will likely run into problems as most games to my knowledge do not happily support twin joysticks and a throttle. And multiple joysticks can sometimes be tempermental about working together, especialy if they are different models. You could bind 2 buttons to be full right and full left rudder. One thing the throttle does have like the X-52 is a mini joystick which you might be able to set up as a rudder controler (though i belive its intended to simulate a mouse for cockpit control) Also another thing the CH throttle lacks is trim controls (the 2 wheels), though they do exist on the base of the flightstick. One thing is for sure, dont even think about trying to use the throttle wheel on the stick for a rudder as you will completely defeat the point of having a HOTAS setup, plus they dont center on release, so you would end up keeping your hand off the throttle most of the time. If your hand is off the throttle most of the time, why would you be spending 150$ USD on it?

Another option if you wana go with saitek again which might be within your budget is the x-52 pro and their new rudder pedals. Which runs about 320$ USD together, thats 20 dollars more then just the ch fighterstick and pro throttle. The x52 pro has more buttons, etc, and its alot more precice in the low range close to center position then the original x52, though it is not quite so sharp as the CH stick but it is very close to it's performance. According to my research the x52 and x52 pro are far superior to the old X45, the pots are much more reliable and smoother, particularly in the x52 pro.

Camaero · 07-26-07, 07:56 PM

The advice from both of you is much appreciated.

Neon, maybe a better deal can be found for the x52 pro + rudder pedals as well, but from Provantage I can get the CH Fighterstick and Pro Throttle for $220 shipped. $320.00 is a bit out of my price range right now.

Both of them sound like a big plus on being better than my X45 though. The whole reason I am getting a new stick is 1: My throttle pot is off its rocker and 2: I have never been too happy with the X45 stick. I even cut springs out to where it is very loose and it still doesn't feel right to me.

07-26-07, 02:13 PM	#1
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	CH Fighterstick Just curious, if I buy a CH Fighterstick and the CH Throttle, but I can't also afford the rudder pedals, what can I use? Will I lose the great rudder control I have with my X45 if I get this new stick without the pedals? Thanks. __________________

07-26-07, 03:18 PM	#2
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Depends on which sim you use it with I guess. Some sims will support multiple joysticks at the same time (FS for example), others won't like it at all, although a splitter might be able to get it working in other sims. Whenever I've tried doing stuff like that, sometimes it's worked, sometimes not, so I think it's a case of 'suck it and see' which isn't ideal given the cost of stuff like that. But even if that was the case and it worled (which I think is likely), presumably what your're talking about is having throttle on one stick, control surfaces on another (apart from rudder), and rudder on yet another stick, for a total of three sticks. Which sounds a bit cumbersome to me, but if you could put up with it, then I suppose that'd be okay. I imagine you could put up with having 'automatic rudder' selected, which many sims will let you use, but that makes sideslipping impossible. Chock __________________ Last edited by Chock; 07-26-07 at 03:37 PM.

07-26-07, 04:20 PM	#3
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Well my main sim is IL2. I always fly on online servers that are full switch so I definitely need a rudder to taxi and also sometimes to set up quick shots. I guess I can probably use the throttle lever that is on the Fighterstick as a rudder, but I don't know how easily I can reach it. I guess I would have to take my hand off of the throttle and move it to the stick to kick the rudder. I don't know if that combination would overall make me a better pilot or a worse pilot. My x45 stick was always so jerky from the super stiff spring that I always used the rudder to help kick the plane back to where I wanted it to be for a shot. Maybe I won't need the rudder so often if the Fighterstick is as smooth as most people say it is? I always use it to ease the plane around while flying formation too though.... Ugh... I don't know. __________________

07-26-07, 06:16 PM	#4
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'd ask on AVSIM or SIMHQ in one of the relevant forums if I were you, there's a better chance that someone would have tried what you are considering will see such a post. www.avsim.com www.simhq.com Chock __________________

07-26-07, 07:24 PM	#5
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Well as im sure you know the ch stick doesnt have a twist rudder, nor does the throttle have any kind of purpose built rudder support. Trying to use a second stick with the first stick would be a waste of time realy, and you will likely run into problems as most games to my knowledge do not happily support twin joysticks and a throttle. And multiple joysticks can sometimes be tempermental about working together, especialy if they are different models. You could bind 2 buttons to be full right and full left rudder. One thing the throttle does have like the X-52 is a mini joystick which you might be able to set up as a rudder controler (though i belive its intended to simulate a mouse for cockpit control) Also another thing the CH throttle lacks is trim controls (the 2 wheels), though they do exist on the base of the flightstick. One thing is for sure, dont even think about trying to use the throttle wheel on the stick for a rudder as you will completely defeat the point of having a HOTAS setup, plus they dont center on release, so you would end up keeping your hand off the throttle most of the time. If your hand is off the throttle most of the time, why would you be spending 150$ USD on it? Another option if you wana go with saitek again which might be within your budget is the x-52 pro and their new rudder pedals. Which runs about 320$ USD together, thats 20 dollars more then just the ch fighterstick and pro throttle. The x52 pro has more buttons, etc, and its alot more precice in the low range close to center position then the original x52, though it is not quite so sharp as the CH stick but it is very close to it's performance. According to my research the x52 and x52 pro are far superior to the old X45, the pots are much more reliable and smoother, particularly in the x52 pro. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff Last edited by NeonSamurai; 07-26-07 at 08:02 PM.

07-26-07, 07:56 PM	#6
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	The advice from both of you is much appreciated. Neon, maybe a better deal can be found for the x52 pro + rudder pedals as well, but from Provantage I can get the CH Fighterstick and Pro Throttle for $220 shipped. $320.00 is a bit out of my price range right now. Both of them sound like a big plus on being better than my X45 though. The whole reason I am getting a new stick is 1: My throttle pot is off its rocker and 2: I have never been too happy with the X45 stick. I even cut springs out to where it is very loose and it still doesn't feel right to me. __________________