DiMercurio's next sub novel

DAB · 07-19-05, 03:39 PM

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It is not the Russians the Navy is worried about, but the French.

Look, I know a lot of people in the states were a little upset about France saying non to the Iraq War - but isn't this taking it a little too far?

Perseus · 08-16-05, 08:21 AM

DiMercurio's writings are utter CACK.

Hellcat · 08-18-05, 07:50 PM

I read the first few books in the series, but the moment they branched off to the SPOLIER rocket powered vortex torpedo which destroyed ownship it all just fell apart. The first 2 are okay books after that it just gets silly and repeitive. Oh and Dakar23 you forgot to meantion the near death experience each time he loses a sub.

I've just started a Patrick Robertson book Kilo Class and it's not bad so far, well at least it seems plausible.

TLAM Strike · 08-18-05, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellcat

I've just started a Patrick Robertson book Kilo Class and it's not bad so far, well at least it seems plausible.

Take my advice don't read any of his books written after 'HMS Unseen'.

Hellcat · 08-26-05, 06:01 PM

I don't mean to hijack the thread but I'd just like to add my comments considering "Kilo Class" Well I just finished it yesterday and it did'nt quite end the way I had envisioned....
SPOILERS

Why even brother with the subplot of Taiwan developing nuclear weapons at all when 93% of the novel concerns the destruction of the kilo's?

Why does everything work out perfectly for the good guys? Not a single thing went wrong of any magnitude other than the blind fire on the russian convoy. Which in itself is just a silly situation to begin with. (The way the US reasons that the Typhoon is not there is complete BS)

Why does every submarine commander on the "good" side have a wife at home crying about the guys absence (see DiMercurio's and others)

Does this guy love SEALs or something, their described as sorta like super-above all of us group. ie when their hauling the charges for the destruction of the subs in the channel. (I know their good but come on!)

Now on the other hand we have DiMercurio's hero who just goes out saves the world as we know it, loses a multi-million $ piece of equipment and loses most of his crew each time. That's cool though because he has to come back in the next novel.... I really should'nt be so severe they are good books to sit back and read if you really dont mind the holes. (sorta like watching Commando, or Rambo)

UglyMowgli · 08-26-05, 09:36 PM

In one of his book there is a description of the Kergelen island where a foreign country built a hidden submarine base and he say that this island is empty (just a meteo station with 3 guys)

. This man never search on google or yahoo about this french island because there is one of the biggest french polar research station with almost 200 people in summer and 50 in winter (half are from army forces).

And for his new novel, it is well known thaht in the french navy, we left all saturday night the submarine keys on the pump jet with the nuclear lauch code when the crew is at a party.

kschang · 08-30-05, 01:36 PM

Here's my opinion of the vairous authors

Patrick Robinson -- way over-rated. Nimitz class should never have been published, much less made him into a multi-book seller. Who the ******* would start a book backwards? The most exciting part is in the beginning, and the rest reads like a whodunit spy novel! Kilo-class is okay in that it's mostly special operations stuff and spy play. HMS UNSEEN is, well... two novelettes disguised as a single novel. USS SEAWOLF is a joke, and practically a rip-off of DiMercurio's Attack of the Seawolf's plot. I am also turned off by the extremely sad ending. I didn't bother to read his latest, Shark Mutiny.

Michael DiMercurio -- got the sub touches down pat, but seems to have lost his touch in the more recent novels, and I think we are all getting tired of Pacino surviving another scrape against another secret Russian or whoever's supersub. And there is no defense against Vortex or equivalent once it's fired. It all comes down to getting the first sniff, and that means sending out more remote sensors and such. I think his best novels are voyage of the Devilfish, and Attack of the Seawolf, before all this Vortex mumbojumbo is introduced.

Joe Buff -- his novels are about 60-70% sub and the rest commando action. And so far I think he's the current top writer out there, IMHO of course. Deep Sound Channel and the sequel painted an very interesting if bleak picture on modern naval warfare, where tactical nukes are used frequently and often esp. on high seas.

kschang · 08-30-05, 01:38 PM

If you want some serious French bashing, you need to read Matthew Reilly and his Shane Schofield thrillers (Area 7, Ice Station, and Scarecrow). In Scarecrow, Schofield blew up the French carrier, right in the middle of the French CVBG.

By shooting a palladium charge into the French nuke reactor.

08-30-05, 10:26 PM

I not searching french (or other country) bashing books, but i want some reality .
the soviet submarine fleet have been stollen by rogue, terrorist about three time is number and sunk 10 times by one US submarine,
it s the same for the chinesse, iranian and all axis devil fleets.
At this time if we refer to all the novels there is only one inctact fleet in the world US Navy (and RN) all other subs are sunk even old U-boat from the German (yes there is also US nuclear subs involved in the WW2).

I think sub novel Authors have the same inspiration, I am just waiting a more 'realistic' book like Red Storm Rising not one with we are the best with the best sub and all the other are evil and there sub are crap.

08-18-05, 07:50 PM	#3
Hellcat Ensign Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I read the first few books in the series, but the moment they branched off to the SPOLIER rocket powered vortex torpedo which destroyed ownship it all just fell apart. The first 2 are okay books after that it just gets silly and repeitive. Oh and Dakar23 you forgot to meantion the near death experience each time he loses a sub. I've just started a Patrick Robertson book Kilo Class and it's not bad so far, well at least it seems plausible. __________________ "readiness is only accomplished when the need for it is over"

08-26-05, 06:01 PM	#5
Hellcat Ensign Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 224 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I don't mean to hijack the thread but I'd just like to add my comments considering "Kilo Class" Well I just finished it yesterday and it did'nt quite end the way I had envisioned.... SPOILERS Why even brother with the subplot of Taiwan developing nuclear weapons at all when 93% of the novel concerns the destruction of the kilo's? Why does everything work out perfectly for the good guys? Not a single thing went wrong of any magnitude other than the blind fire on the russian convoy. Which in itself is just a silly situation to begin with. (The way the US reasons that the Typhoon is not there is complete BS) Why does every submarine commander on the "good" side have a wife at home crying about the guys absence (see DiMercurio's and others) Does this guy love SEALs or something, their described as sorta like super-above all of us group. ie when their hauling the charges for the destruction of the subs in the channel. (I know their good but come on!) Now on the other hand we have DiMercurio's hero who just goes out saves the world as we know it, loses a multi-million $ piece of equipment and loses most of his crew each time. That's cool though because he has to come back in the next novel.... I really should'nt be so severe they are good books to sit back and read if you really dont mind the holes. (sorta like watching Commando, or Rambo) __________________ "readiness is only accomplished when the need for it is over"

08-26-05, 09:36 PM	#6
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 772 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	In one of his book there is a description of the Kergelen island where a foreign country built a hidden submarine base and he say that this island is empty (just a meteo station with 3 guys) . This man never search on google or yahoo about this french island because there is one of the biggest french polar research station with almost 200 people in summer and 50 in winter (half are from army forces). And for his new novel, it is well known thaht in the french navy, we left all saturday night the submarine keys on the pump jet with the nuclear lauch code when the crew is at a party. __________________ Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager

08-16-05, 08:21 AM	#2
Perseus Mate Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 57 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	DiMercurio's writings are utter CACK.

08-30-05, 01:36 PM	#7
kschang Watch Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Here's my opinion of the vairous authors Patrick Robinson -- way over-rated. Nimitz class should never have been published, much less made him into a multi-book seller. Who the ******* would start a book backwards? The most exciting part is in the beginning, and the rest reads like a whodunit spy novel! Kilo-class is okay in that it's mostly special operations stuff and spy play. HMS UNSEEN is, well... two novelettes disguised as a single novel. USS SEAWOLF is a joke, and practically a rip-off of DiMercurio's Attack of the Seawolf's plot. I am also turned off by the extremely sad ending. I didn't bother to read his latest, Shark Mutiny. Michael DiMercurio -- got the sub touches down pat, but seems to have lost his touch in the more recent novels, and I think we are all getting tired of Pacino surviving another scrape against another secret Russian or whoever's supersub. And there is no defense against Vortex or equivalent once it's fired. It all comes down to getting the first sniff, and that means sending out more remote sensors and such. I think his best novels are voyage of the Devilfish, and Attack of the Seawolf, before all this Vortex mumbojumbo is introduced. Joe Buff -- his novels are about 60-70% sub and the rest commando action. And so far I think he's the current top writer out there, IMHO of course. Deep Sound Channel and the sequel painted an very interesting if bleak picture on modern naval warfare, where tactical nukes are used frequently and often esp. on high seas.

08-30-05, 01:38 PM	#8
kschang Watch Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	If you want some serious French bashing, you need to read Matthew Reilly and his Shane Schofield thrillers (Area 7, Ice Station, and Scarecrow). In Scarecrow, Schofield blew up the French carrier, right in the middle of the French CVBG. By shooting a palladium charge into the French nuke reactor.

08-30-05, 10:26 PM	#9
Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I not searching french (or other country) bashing books, but i want some reality . the soviet submarine fleet have been stollen by rogue, terrorist about three time is number and sunk 10 times by one US submarine, it s the same for the chinesse, iranian and all axis devil fleets. At this time if we refer to all the novels there is only one inctact fleet in the world US Navy (and RN) all other subs are sunk even old U-boat from the German (yes there is also US nuclear subs involved in the WW2). I think sub novel Authors have the same inspiration, I am just waiting a more 'realistic' book like Red Storm Rising not one with we are the best with the best sub and all the other are evil and there sub are crap.