[REL] Unit damage from smoke and/or fires

[LGN1]

Great work, TDW. Thanks a lot for the new version!

@Rubini:

Originally Posted by Rubini

And the most good news: also that old wanted mod - depth charges making noise allowing you to escape (bold like effect) - seems to work ok too using the same TDW's mod approach. It need more tests and this is my problem now - free time. I will post more info as the mod goes ahead.

Kudos to TWD!

Are you still working on this? I guess you do it via spawning small bolds when depth-charges explode If yes, do you know whether Bolds affect hydrophones or only ASDIC?

Cheers, LGN1

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by LGN1

Great work, TDW. Thanks a lot for the new version!

@Rubini:


Are you still working on this? I guess you do it via spawning small bolds when depth-charges explode If yes, do you know whether Bolds affect hydrophones or only ASDIC?

Cheers, LGN1

Hi LGN1,

(excuse me for hijack the thread again TDW...well, at least the below exposed have something in common with your mod idea)


The addition of bolds just replacing the virtual DC as they are on the TDW mod didn't work in the end. At first I thougth that it worked (is difficult to test, the fake bold "noise" effect is a bit subjective issue).

I added a bold object/effect to a real DC under water explosion effect (the same idea on the TDW fire damage mod - he added a virtual DC to a know effect - the fire) but it gives CTD. Later I understood why/the sutil difference: Sh3 manage differentely objects that are made for player use (torpedos and bolds are good example) in contrast with others objects like bombs, DC, etc.

In others words, a full working virtual torpedo or a full working virtual bold are both yet impossible to we handle without SDK.

So, no dice with DC making noise/disturbance until now!

(Hopes that you understand me, my english is worst than ever)

[TheDarkWraith]

What are you trying to do with the DC? Have it make noise? I don't understand Nothing is impossible, you just have to be more creative about how to implement it.

It appears you all are wanting the DCs to make noise as they are falling. This should be really easy to do. The DC needs to have a sound source attached to it with the hydro effect (I believe in SH3 it was hyd). You could probably even attach a sonar target to it so the sonarman could detect it in water. Ok, now I'll have to try this and see if it works since it's easy enough to make in a few minutes.

EDIT:

ok successfully added sound to the DCs. Now, what sound do you want the DCs to have? I need a sound file (wav) for it. Currently I'm using the torpedo sound but I need a real sound for the DCs. Works in game (you can hear the sound from the DCs in external cam and also from the hydrophone station)

Think we should add sound to the decoys also fired by the sub. Need a sound file (wav) for it also. I'm going to go ahead and add the necessary controllers to the bolds so they can have sound also.

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

What are you trying to do with the DC? Have it make noise? I don't understand Nothing is impossible, you just have to be more creative about how to implement it.

It appears you all are wanting the DCs to make noise as they are falling. This should be really easy to do. The DC needs to have a sound source attached to it with the hydro effect (I believe in SH3 it was hyd). You could probably even attach a sonar target to it so the sonarman could detect it in water. Ok, now I'll have to try this and see if it works since it's easy enough to make in a few minutes.

EDIT:

ok successfully added sound to the DCs. Now, what sound do you want the DCs to have? I need a sound file (wav) for it. Currently I'm using the torpedo sound but I need a real sound for the DCs. Works in game (you can hear the sound from the DCs in external cam and also from the hydrophone station)

Think we should add sound to the decoys also fired by the sub. Need a sound file (wav) for it also. I'm going to go ahead and add the necessary controllers to the bolds so they can have sound also.

Hi TDW,

Thanks to think about this but isn´t about sound that we are talking. Just a minute, I will look at a link to post here then you will understand better the matter.

[Rubini]

Ok, here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=depth

It´s about to make the DDs a bit blind after a DC explode. A disturbance for the ASDIC and hidrophones, as in real life, to add to the game uncertanty and real tatics.

It´s an old mod idea, an old wish by the players, that never was achieved by any mod or modder. A lot of approachs already was tried, neither had success. The better idea was to add a "Bold disturbance effect" to the DC explosion, this way blinding a bit the DDs.

When I saw your mod implementation idea (damage by fire) I pick up again some hope but as i said above seems that the problem is that bold (and also torpedos), wich are fired by the player, are handle in a different way by the game engine and don´t full work when we try to use them on mods.

Any idea?

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by Rubini

Ok, here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=depth

It´s about to make the DDs a bit blind after a DC explode. A disturbance for the ASDIC and hidrophones, as in real life, to add to the game uncertanty and real tatics.

It´s an old mod idea, an old wish by the players, that never was achieved by any mod or modder. A lot of approachs already was tried, neither had success. The better idea was to add a "Bold disturbance effect" to the DC explosion, this way blinding a bit the DDs.

When I saw your mod implementation idea (damage by fire) I pick up again some hope but as i said above seems that the problem is that bold (and also torpedos), wich are fired by the player, are handle in a different way by the game engine and don´t full work when we try to use them on mods.

Any idea?

sure do. The effect that is played when the DC explodes could be changed to point to either:
- a new type 4/100 node that has a bold effect tied to it that lasts for say 2-3 seconds or
- straight to a bold effect with a lifetime of 2-3 seconds

That's what I would try first

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

sure do. The effect that is played when the DC explodes could be changed to point to either:
- a new type 4/100 node that has a bold effect tied to it that lasts for say 2-3 seconds or
- straight to a bold effect with a lifetime of 2-3 seconds

That's what I would try first

These I already tried. But the game just CTD when a DC explode. After some time looking at others possibilities to tie the bold effect, always without success, I start to think what I exposed above: probably the game don´t allow us to have a virtual full working objects that are primarely destinated to the player use (torpedo and bold), differentely from AI objects like bombs, DC, etc. In my tests any Ai object worked without problems. Only bold (I didn´t tested torpedos) lead to CTD.

Well, after hours and hours trying it i give up. But as we already saw here a lot of times, perhaps someone will finally find a way to do it in some moment in near future.

Edit: So, i guess that the problem is the player "ignition" routine. IIRC when we tried virtual torpedos, they had a fixed direction, making modded virtual torpedos unuseful, showing to us that something more is needed that is hardcoded (until now); seems now that the bold also needs some hidden routine to ignite it correctly...the game don´t find it and CTD. Just a guess...

[Robin40]

Originally Posted by Rubini

These I already tried. But the game just CTD when a DC explode. After some time looking at others possibilities to tie the bold effect, always without success, I start to think what I exposed above: probably the game don´t allow us to have a virtual full working objects that are primarely destinated to the player use (torpedo and bold), differentely from AI objects like bombs, DC, etc. In my tests any Ai object worked without problems. Only bold (I didn´t tested torpedos) lead to CTD.

Well, after hours and hours trying it i give up. But as we already saw here a lot of times, perhaps someone will finally find a way to do it in some moment in near future.

Edit: So, i guess that the problem is the player "ignition" routine. IIRC when we tried virtual torpedos, they had a fixed direction, making modded virtual torpedos unuseful, showing to us that something more is needed that is hardcoded (until now); seems now that the bold also needs some hidden routine to ignite it correctly...the game don´t find it and CTD. Just a guess...

Do you mean that DD's are not deaf when DC's are exploding?

Damn...I thought to use a tricky tactics to excape: when a DC explodes I increase speed to 3, then I stop engines when explosions cease

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by Robin40

Do you mean that DD's are not deaf when DC's are exploding?

Damn...I thought to use a tricky tactics to excape: when a DC explodes I increase speed to 3, then I stop engines when explosions cease

Yes, exactly they are not being deaf by exploding DC in Sh3...but DD's rear is deaf (ASDIC geometry). Perhaps one day we will also achieve to add DC disturbance for ASDIC. Then we will have new tatics to explore.

[LGN1]

Thanks for the explanation, Rubini! It's a pity that it doesn't work

Probably the best solution would be to deactivate the ships' ASDIC/Hydrophones for a short period of time. But how

Cheers, LGN1

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by Rubini

Yes, exactly they are not being deaf by exploding DC in Sh3...but DD's rear is deaf (ASDIC geometry). Perhaps one day we will also achieve to add DC disturbance for ASDIC. Then we will have new tatics to explore.

Originally Posted by LGN1

Thanks for the explanation, Rubini! It's a pity that it doesn't work

Probably the best solution would be to deactivate the ships' ASDIC/Hydrophones for a short period of time. But how

Cheers, LGN1

Figured out how to cause a disturbance.....and it works Yes this does make for some interesting tactics now. Now I must make this for SH5 and SH4!

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Figured out how to cause a disturbance.....and it works Yes this does make for some interesting tactics now.

Great news! This kind of realism is an absolute must. Puts a capital 'S' in sim... Many thanks!

[Rubini]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

Figured out how to cause a disturbance.....and it works Yes this does make for some interesting tactics now. Now I must make this for SH5 and SH4!

Awesome mate! Many thanks! I will test it asap and post feedbacks on the correct thread.

[maillemaker]

Wow, this is an awesome mod, can't wait to get home and try it! It's a shame that fire never caused damage all along!

It´s about to make the DDs a bit blind after a DC explode. A disturbance for the ASDIC and hidrophones, as in real life, to add to the game uncertanty and real tatics.

It´s an old mod idea, an old wish by the players, that never was achieved by any mod or modder. A lot of approachs already was tried, neither had success. The better idea was to add a "Bold disturbance effect" to the DC explosion, this way blinding a bit the DDs.

And all this time I thought that DCs DID cause sonar problems, and was gunning the engines and cutting them after the explosions stopped!

Is there a mod for this, now, too?

Steve

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by maillemaker

And all this time I thought that DCs DID cause sonar problems, and was gunning the engines and cutting them after the explosions stopped!

Is there a mod for this, now, too?

Depth Charge Water Disturbances

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181513