Hostile subs won't attack in missions I've created?

peteuplink · 06-14-06, 08:42 AM

I've been trying to create some missions for practicing my combat and evasion tactics. I thought it would be a good idea to create 1 on 1 sub combat missions... The probnlem is the hostile subs I create in the missions aren't attacking me. They'll defend themselves and try to evade if I launch torpedos at them, but they wont fire back at me. I've set up the mission so the hostile sub has my sub as a target and is on a transit waypoints tactic. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

FERdeBOER · 06-14-06, 10:47 AM

First, the AI is not very agressive in the stock game.
The LWAmi mod makes the AI much challenging.

But make sure you and the enemy sub are on different sides and at war.

And maybe is a good idea to create a script that forces the enemy sub to engage you.

Miika · 06-14-06, 12:29 PM

If you use "transit" tactic, the platform will only travel through the allocated waypoints; it won't attack any hostile targets. (Though it will avoid torpedoes etc.)

Use "transit search" for the effect you want; this way the platform will (should) travel along the waypoints, until it detects a target, which it will then attack. All the other tactics (apart from "transit") also have the same effect.

I totally agree with FERdeBOER about the LWAMI mod

Miika

peteuplink · 06-14-06, 03:22 PM

Ahh, that's what was wrong. Cheers Miika...

FERdeBOER · 06-14-06, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miika

If you use "transit" tactic, the platform will only travel through the allocated waypoints; it won't attack any hostile targets. (Though it will avoid torpedoes etc.)

I didn't know that, thanks!

OKO · 06-19-06, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miika

If you use "transit" tactic, the platform will only travel through the allocated waypoints; it won't attack any hostile targets. (Though it will avoid torpedoes etc.)

Use "transit search" for the effect you want; this way the platform will (should) travel along the waypoints, until it detects a target, which it will then attack. All the other tactics (apart from "transit") also have the same effect.

I totally agree with FERdeBOER about the LWAMI mod

Miika

and if you want a very agressive reaction, use Miika description + a trigger and a script =>

Trigger :
automatic
all timer 00:00:00
if [SSK] detect [yourship] with ANY then fire trigger
run script SSKattack

Script :
name : SSKattack
[SSK] engage [yourship] with best weapon for 90000sec

This way, as soon as the ennemy SSK will detect you, he will engage you.

In fact, when you use the engage script, the concerned AI instantly receive the exact position of the target.
If you use it only when the concerned SSK have already detected you, what you do is to accelerate the engagment process and to give the SSK an agressive attitude.
It's kinda cheat for AI, but AI is only AI ... and some harder opposition is sometimes welcome isn't it ?

OKO · 06-19-06, 09:18 AM

Also, with a detection trigger, you could create some dynamic group, creating new SSKs or even aircraft patrol, as soon as (or even with a timer) your ship was detected.

LuftWolf · 06-19-06, 08:46 PM

Ah, excellent... I am considering also giving the AI slightly better sensors than the player, because right now the AI waits some time to engage, upon POSID if left alone, although of course there is a way for this to be done in mission design.

I don't know... increasing the AI engagement range may go against the new weapon changes. Hmm... there is a lot that can be done in mission design. Perhaps I'll leave it as is now.

LuftWolf · 06-20-06, 01:26 AM

Ah, but since they aren't even reporting the detections until they get a POSID, I can make this change and it will have the desired effects all round.

Ok, I will increase the sensitivity of the AI sensors a bit.

LuftWolf · 06-20-06, 01:26 AM

Ah, but since they aren't even reporting the detections until they get a POSID, I can make this change and it will have the desired effects all round.

Ok, I will increase the sensitivity of the AI sensors a bit.

Cheers,
David

Palindromeria · 06-20-06, 03:31 PM

Miika hit the nail on the head for you
as an afterthgought,

<< I've set up the mission so the hostile sub has my sub as a target >>

i have not found this too have effect in terms of increasing the ai sub attitude toward attack ,
but,
it does seem to work in LIMITING the ai attack posture to the designated target alone, unless the ai sub is otherwise attacked.

Target None seems to mean attack anything and everything.

the Seawolf seems to be, by far, the most aggressive ai sub.

many of the non us / russian subs have very limited torpedo ranges
so they HAVE to get CLOSE to fire.

LOS !

sonar732 · 06-20-06, 04:32 PM

What happens if the OPFOR is at his extent of detection range from you when he first detects you? It would be like a noob firing an ADCAP as soon as he sees the faint 50hz tonal...some 10 miles away.

Palindromeria · 06-21-06, 03:48 PM

http://www.subguru.com/DW_missions/DWSUBINFO.txt

some poor ai subs only have passive 25 kt torps with range of 6-7 miles.
which seawolf la akula easily outruns/spoofs unless attacked from close range.

in addition to the us and russian subs,

Agosta, Amethyste, Trafalgar, Harushio, Collins and any nations Kilo should be the
more effective shots based strictly on torp range / speed.

06-14-06, 08:42 AM	#1
peteuplink Mate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 53 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hostile subs won't attack in missions I've created? I've been trying to create some missions for practicing my combat and evasion tactics. I thought it would be a good idea to create 1 on 1 sub combat missions... The probnlem is the hostile subs I create in the missions aren't attacking me. They'll defend themselves and try to evade if I launch torpedos at them, but they wont fire back at me. I've set up the mission so the hostile sub has my sub as a target and is on a transit waypoints tactic. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

06-14-06, 10:47 AM	#2
FERdeBOER XO Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 431 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 1	First, the AI is not very agressive in the stock game. The LWAmi mod makes the AI much challenging. But make sure you and the enemy sub are on different sides and at war. And maybe is a good idea to create a script that forces the enemy sub to engage you. __________________ Hay dos tipos de buques: los submarinos... y los blancos. There are two types of ships: the subs... and the targets.

06-14-06, 12:29 PM	#3
Miika A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 78 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Transit search does the trick If you use "transit" tactic, the platform will only travel through the allocated waypoints; it won't attack any hostile targets. (Though it will avoid torpedoes etc.) Use "transit search" for the effect you want; this way the platform will (should) travel along the waypoints, until it detects a target, which it will then attack. All the other tactics (apart from "transit") also have the same effect. I totally agree with FERdeBOER about the LWAMI mod Miika __________________ Constantem Decorat Honor

06-19-06, 08:46 PM	#8
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ah, excellent... I am considering also giving the AI slightly better sensors than the player, because right now the AI waits some time to engage, upon POSID if left alone, although of course there is a way for this to be done in mission design. I don't know... increasing the AI engagement range may go against the new weapon changes. Hmm... there is a lot that can be done in mission design. Perhaps I'll leave it as is now. __________________ LW

06-20-06, 01:26 AM	#9
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Ah, but since they aren't even reporting the detections until they get a POSID, I can make this change and it will have the desired effects all round. Ok, I will increase the sensitivity of the AI sensors a bit. __________________ LW

06-14-06, 03:22 PM	#4
peteuplink Mate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 53 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Ahh, that's what was wrong. Cheers Miika...

06-19-06, 09:18 AM	#7
OKO Commander Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Solar system, mainly on earth Posts: 476 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Also, with a detection trigger, you could create some dynamic group, creating new SSKs or even aircraft patrol, as soon as (or even with a timer) your ship was detected.

06-20-06, 03:31 PM	#11
Palindromeria Planesman Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brooklyn NY Posts: 199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Miika hit the nail on the head for you as an afterthgought, << I've set up the mission so the hostile sub has my sub as a target >> i have not found this too have effect in terms of increasing the ai sub attitude toward attack , but, it does seem to work in LIMITING the ai attack posture to the designated target alone, unless the ai sub is otherwise attacked. Target None seems to mean attack anything and everything. the Seawolf seems to be, by far, the most aggressive ai sub. many of the non us / russian subs have very limited torpedo ranges so they HAVE to get CLOSE to fire. LOS !

06-20-06, 04:32 PM	#12
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What happens if the OPFOR is at his extent of detection range from you when he first detects you? It would be like a noob firing an ADCAP as soon as he sees the faint 50hz tonal...some 10 miles away.

06-21-06, 03:48 PM	#13
Palindromeria Planesman Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Brooklyn NY Posts: 199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	http://www.subguru.com/DW_missions/DWSUBINFO.txt some poor ai subs only have passive 25 kt torps with range of 6-7 miles. which seawolf la akula easily outruns/spoofs unless attacked from close range. in addition to the us and russian subs, Agosta, Amethyste, Trafalgar, Harushio, Collins and any nations Kilo should be the more effective shots based strictly on torp range / speed. Last edited by Palindromeria; 06-21-06 at 03:57 PM.