[REL] Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start - Page 3

iowa101 · 11-23-10, 02:48 PM

good point but neither are nimitz class aircraft carriers but i'm working on that for a playable ship.

why cant we add a midget sub

peabody · 11-23-10, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by iowa101

On the subject on the midget sub, i hope you know that You may have sunk one of them!
But the other sub got into the harbour, not many know this but they discovered it when a photo was analysed and they found a stray wake that had come from a submerged midget submarine.

They say that out of the 5 midget submarines that Japan built only 4 have been located and surveyed.

Maybe a small update could include hunting one if that is at all possible.
Would be a great thing for us to try as a Pre-Attack mission wouldn't you agree?

The US definately sank one outside the harbor with a shot into the base of the conning tower from a DD, they have located it.

As for the picture they analyzed inside the harbor near battleship row, in my opinion their testing was flawed, and I am not convinced that what they are "seeing" in the photo was a minisub. There are a lot that think it was, and just as many that think it was not. The flaw I feel is the recreation and photo comparison as "Proof".
I won't go into the details, but in my opinion, I am not convinced.

Peabody

iowa101 · 11-23-10, 03:40 PM

i'm just saying, it we add a few missions that lead up to the attack on pearl that it would be a good start.

yes the photo recreation was how they did the analysis, but you have to admit that there is a strong possibilty due to the fact that one was found after on a beach

Also does any think that adding a recreation of the battle for you to take part in would be good. that way you could either stay in harbour, or attack the main fleet.

fred8615 · 11-23-10, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by iowa101

i'm just saying, it we add a few missions that lead up to the attack on pearl that it would be a good start.

yes the photo recreation was how they did the analysis, but you have to admit that there is a strong possibilty due to the fact that one was found after on a beach

Also does any think that adding a recreation of the battle for you to take part in would be good. that way you could either stay in harbour, or attack the main fleet.

The midgets didn't do any photo recon, they were strictly an attack force.

As noted in the readme for my mod, the air attack isn't added because it would slow the game down drastically, and you run the risk of being sunk at the very beginning your career.

As for engaging the Japanese carrier force, that is a possibility in one mission, and in another you can engage it as it returns to port in Japan.

iowa101 · 11-23-10, 04:35 PM

sounds good, also i'm going to look for any other pre - pearl attack patrol logs that could be used as missions.

i'll post a few links for you after

peabody · 11-23-10, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fred8615

The midgets didn't do any photo recon, they were strictly an attack force.

Misunderstood the comment. It was not a photo recon mission.

There was a special on TV where they did a recreation using a photo that was taken by a IJN planes of BB row during the attack. Some believe there is a minisub showing in the photo. So they did a recreation of it in a lake (NOT Pearl harbor) and took photos of it and compared them.

From doing Photography since 1969, I feel there testing which was done using % for distances, their testing was flawed. But that is only my opinion. I am not saying there wasn't one in BB row, only that I am not convinced after seeing their test.

Peabody

iowa101 · 11-23-10, 04:56 PM

In the photo there is also a stray wake from a running torpedo that doesn't have any splash point indicating that a torpedo plane dropped it's fish.

This also add to what i believe to be a good possibility that there was in fact a sub in the harbour.
I'm not saying your wrong, i just feel like they did a good job making their case which has stood to hold a great deal of empathy on the attack of pearl harbour.

I'd also like you to read this segment:

Researchers such as Burl Burlingame now believe that the following happened:

Five mini-submarines carried piggyback-style by normal submarines approached Pearl Harbour to within a couple of miles of the harbour entrance.

All five mini-subs were released to approach their targets.

Mini-sub Number 1 was sunk by ‘USS Ward’ and did not fire either of its two torpedoes.

Mini-sub Number 2 got into Pearl Harbour and fired its two torpedoes. Both missed their targets, but Number 2 then sunk by two American warships.

Mini-sub Number 3 ran aground and did not fire either of its two torpedoes.

Mini-sub Number 4 was found in 1960 with both its torpedoes still on board. It now stands outside of the Japanese Naval Academy.

However, no one knew what happened to mini-sub Number 5.

I know it doesn't prove much but considering the Fifth is still missing then why not make a mission to hunt that one

fred8615 · 05-04-11, 12:51 PM

I've updated the mod. See the first post for details.

fred8615 · 05-05-11, 02:47 PM

I found a couple of minor goofs, one of which ended up being a tweak I decided to do to all the missions. So, here's 4.1.

TorpX · 05-05-11, 06:28 PM

I read the post, but I still don't see what was changed from v 3.x

fred8615 · 05-06-11, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

I read the post, but I still don't see what was changed from v 3.x

All missions include a new radio message, and the RSRDC versions include a second message to replace a very important one they removed from their messages.txt. The other change was adding additional objectives to some of the Pearl Harbor based missions.

I should've noted the new stuff instead of just incorporating it into the post and readme, but I thought anyone using the old version would note the differences.

Anthony W. · 05-06-11, 04:23 PM

If I happened to be in port on Dec. 7, would I be allowed to man my AA guns and blast away at some japs?

TopcatWA · 05-06-11, 04:57 PM

Nice mod, agree with a lot of the comments on this topic.
Thanks for the upload.

fred8615 · 05-07-11, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

If I happened to be in port on Dec. 7, would I be allowed to man my AA guns and blast away at some japs?

No. The air attack itself is not in the game, although the Jap task force is. I didn't add it myself because I don't really know how to do airstrikes, yet, and because it would cause the game to lag even more than it does now when using Pearl as a base.

Mikemike47 · 05-28-11, 08:28 PM

I am using Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start for the very first time and am using Version 4.1. I am using the Stock and RFB Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start type mod. Wolves of the Pacific\MODS\Stock and RFB Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start\Data\Campaigns\Campaign folder\campaign.cfg file and am wondering if it is a mistake.

[Section 8]
;FileName=data/Campaigns/Campaign/41a_Jap_Convoys.mis

should it be
FileName=data/Campaigns/Campaign/41a_Jap_Convoys.mis without the ";" at the beginning?

The ";File....." occurs also in sections 9,14,15, 20.......etc.

Thanks for your hard work in making the SH4 more fun.
P.S. Including all your sound mods!!!!

11-23-10, 02:48 PM	#31
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	good point but neither are nimitz class aircraft carriers but i'm working on that for a playable ship. why cant we add a midget sub __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

11-23-10, 03:40 PM	#33
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	i'm just saying, it we add a few missions that lead up to the attack on pearl that it would be a good start. yes the photo recreation was how they did the analysis, but you have to admit that there is a strong possibilty due to the fact that one was found after on a beach Also does any think that adding a recreation of the battle for you to take part in would be good. that way you could either stay in harbour, or attack the main fleet. __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

11-23-10, 04:35 PM	#35
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	sounds good, also i'm going to look for any other pre - pearl attack patrol logs that could be used as missions. i'll post a few links for you after __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

11-23-10, 04:56 PM	#37
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	In the photo there is also a stray wake from a running torpedo that doesn't have any splash point indicating that a torpedo plane dropped it's fish. This also add to what i believe to be a good possibility that there was in fact a sub in the harbour. I'm not saying your wrong, i just feel like they did a good job making their case which has stood to hold a great deal of empathy on the attack of pearl harbour. I'd also like you to read this segment: Researchers such as Burl Burlingame now believe that the following happened: Five mini-submarines carried piggyback-style by normal submarines approached Pearl Harbour to within a couple of miles of the harbour entrance. All five mini-subs were released to approach their targets. Mini-sub Number 1 was sunk by ‘USS Ward’ and did not fire either of its two torpedoes. Mini-sub Number 2 got into Pearl Harbour and fired its two torpedoes. Both missed their targets, but Number 2 then sunk by two American warships. Mini-sub Number 3 ran aground and did not fire either of its two torpedoes. Mini-sub Number 4 was found in 1960 with both its torpedoes still on board. It now stands outside of the Japanese Naval Academy. However, no one knew what happened to mini-sub Number 5. I know it doesn't prove much but considering the Fifth is still missing then why not make a mission to hunt that one __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

05-04-11, 12:51 PM	#38
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,305 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	I've updated the mod. See the first post for details. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

05-05-11, 02:47 PM	#39
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,305 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	I found a couple of minor goofs, one of which ended up being a tweak I decided to do to all the missions. So, here's 4.1. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

05-05-11, 06:28 PM	#40
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I read the post, but I still don't see what was changed from v 3.x

05-06-11, 04:23 PM	#42
Anthony W. Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 850 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	If I happened to be in port on Dec. 7, would I be allowed to man my AA guns and blast away at some japs? __________________ Sunken Mustangs Proud Ford Mustang owner "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Farragut Run silent - run deep - keep the baffles clear - targets front and center. Private pilot and history buff

05-06-11, 04:57 PM	#43
TopcatWA Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Downunder W.A. Sth.of the River Posts: 174 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Nice mod, agree with a lot of the comments on this topic. Thanks for the upload. __________________ Run Silent Run Deep!!!! 01.NSM4 Classic/.RFB v.1.52.1024+Patches 02.RFB Radar HotFix/RSRDC_RFBv15_V420+Patch2 03.Sobers_Better_Rocks & Sand 04.Small_Nav_Tools_w_Chrono 05.Brit_MkVIII_US_Mk28_Torps 06.ROW Sound effects.v.9/Enviromental 5.0 O/S Win10 Pro 64-Bit/Intel 64xQuad Core CPU i7-4790+3.60 Ghz 32gig RAM nVidia GeForce GTX-1650 Ti

05-28-11, 08:28 PM	#45
Mikemike47 Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY Posts: 994 Downloads: 1078 Uploads: 6	Possible error in campaign.cfg I am using Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start for the very first time and am using Version 4.1. I am using the Stock and RFB Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start type mod. Wolves of the Pacific\MODS\Stock and RFB Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start\Data\Campaigns\Campaign folder\campaign.cfg file and am wondering if it is a mistake. [Section 8] ;FileName=data/Campaigns/Campaign/41a_Jap_Convoys.mis should it be FileName=data/Campaigns/Campaign/41a_Jap_Convoys.mis without the ";" at the beginning? The ";File....." occurs also in sections 9,14,15, 20.......etc. Thanks for your hard work in making the SH4 more fun. P.S. Including all your sound mods!!!!