Canadian PC

Yahoshua · 04-19-2007, 09:32 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/shoplifte...UtbsW6is_tiBIF

fatty · 04-19-2007, 09:36 PM

Sorry, but how is this PC?

Yahoshua · 04-19-2007, 09:40 PM

Thief robs store. Thief sues for "personal injury" incurred while in the commission of a crime. Thief wins more in the lawsuit than the theif could've gained by stealing.

PC.

fatty · 04-19-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Thief robs store. Thief sues for "personal injury" incurred while in the commission of a crime. Thief wins more in the lawsuit than the theif could've gained by stealing.

PC.

The article makes no mention of ethnicity, culture, class, etc. I'm afraid your definition of PC is slightly askew.

Tchocky · 04-19-2007, 09:50 PM

PC describes discourse, not legal right. Let's take the extreme case. The security guards beat the shoplifter excessively, after they had subdued him. That is wrong, and the guards should be tried. nothing PC about it, "PC" as a phrase is overused, as something to grab at when angry

P_Funk · 04-20-2007, 12:13 AM

Me I'm proud that I live in that city. It proves that our judiciary isn't so right wing or draconian that we just dismiss immediately anyone that isn't on the right side of the law. Just because you break the law doesn't mean that you lose your rights.

Brilliant.

And as for PC, I don't get the connection. Seems as if someone is trying to start a titch over an old subject.

STEED · 04-20-2007, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Thief robs store. Thief sues for "personal injury" incurred while in the commission of a crime. Thief wins more in the lawsuit than the theif could've gained by stealing.

PC.

I'm not sure if it's PC but one thing is for sure the law is a ass.

We get the same thing here, a man chased a bank robber down the street and grappled him to the ground and what happen. The bank robber pressed charges of assault and wilfully damage to his clothing and the poor bloke who took him on had to pay for a new jacket.

This is not the first time this sort of story has popped up on the news.

Tchocky · 04-19-2007, 09:41 PM

There's not enough info there to label it "PC". He may have a case, if beaten severely enough to lose a tooth.

Or of course this could be a moneygrabbing opportunity.

Etienne · 04-19-2007, 09:46 PM

There is such a thing as justifiable and proportionate use of force.

Shop lifter loosing a tooth (And possibly more, if he has trouble speaking) over 109$? Unless he was seriously aggressive, it's way over the top.

fatty · 04-19-2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etienne

There is such a thing as justifiable and proportionate use of force.

Shop lifter loosing a tooth (And possibly more, if he has trouble speaking) over 109$? Unless he was seriously aggressive, it's way over the top.

If he was called aside and ran I could see it as being okay. Unfortunately, as Tchocky said, the article does not provide much information. Except that he "struggled."

TteFAboB · 04-20-2007, 03:48 PM

Hold on fellas, this has nothing to do with the police. The guy lost a tooth to the store's security guards. Like STEED's and the other examples here, they all happened with people outside the umbrella of a corporation, the state and possibily even the government.

Had them been police officers perhaps they'd have a chance in court, somebody could turn a blind eye, etc. Since they were random people and the state's law was already against them (as proven by the courts) and could even have the hand of a government aswell they had no chance at all.

This guy probably explained in detail how exactly he lost the tooth and precisely how the "struggle" took place, step by step. The line between dissuading use of excessive force and dissuading people from stopping criminals is a very difficult one not to cross either way. The details would make it alot easier. Was it an accident or was it a punch? If it was it a deliberate punch, was that punch a counter-attack to his own punches or the first strike of the "struggle"? These details must be all over the case's records, is there any way to access them?

Heibges · 04-20-2007, 03:54 PM

Police, like that military, at least have training in appropriate use of force. There are certainly times when it is abused, but there are a few hundred thousand police in the United States so you have to keep it in perspective.

The proliferation of Private Security guards is troubling. With relatively little training you see these guys carrying guns.

P_Funk · 04-20-2007, 05:45 PM

What kind of guy do you think becomes a security guard usually?:p

04-19-2007, 09:32 PM	#1
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Canadian PC http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/shoplifte...UtbsW6is_tiBIF __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

04-19-2007, 09:40 PM	#3
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thief robs store. Thief sues for "personal injury" incurred while in the commission of a crime. Thief wins more in the lawsuit than the theif could've gained by stealing. PC. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

04-19-2007, 09:50 PM	#5
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,132 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	PC describes discourse, not legal right. Let's take the extreme case. The security guards beat the shoplifter excessively, after they had subdued him. That is wrong, and the guards should be tried. nothing PC about it, "PC" as a phrase is overused, as something to grab at when angry __________________ -

04-20-2007, 12:13 AM	#6
P_Funk Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,488 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Me I'm proud that I live in that city. It proves that our judiciary isn't so right wing or draconian that we just dismiss immediately anyone that isn't on the right side of the law. Just because you break the law doesn't mean that you lose your rights. Brilliant. And as for PC, I don't get the connection. Seems as if someone is trying to start a titch over an old subject. __________________

04-19-2007, 09:41 PM	#8
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,132 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	There's not enough info there to label it "PC". He may have a case, if beaten severely enough to lose a tooth. Or of course this could be a moneygrabbing opportunity. __________________ -

04-19-2007, 09:36 PM	#2
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,459 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sorry, but how is this PC?

04-19-2007, 09:46 PM	#9
Etienne Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is such a thing as justifiable and proportionate use of force. Shop lifter loosing a tooth (And possibly more, if he has trouble speaking) over 109$? Unless he was seriously aggressive, it's way over the top.

04-20-2007, 03:48 PM	#11
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,424 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Hold on fellas, this has nothing to do with the police. The guy lost a tooth to the store's security guards. Like STEED's and the other examples here, they all happened with people outside the umbrella of a corporation, the state and possibily even the government. Had them been police officers perhaps they'd have a chance in court, somebody could turn a blind eye, etc. Since they were random people and the state's law was already against them (as proven by the courts) and could even have the hand of a government aswell they had no chance at all. This guy probably explained in detail how exactly he lost the tooth and precisely how the "struggle" took place, step by step. The line between dissuading use of excessive force and dissuading people from stopping criminals is a very difficult one not to cross either way. The details would make it alot easier. Was it an accident or was it a punch? If it was it a deliberate punch, was that punch a counter-attack to his own punches or the first strike of the "struggle"? These details must be all over the case's records, is there any way to access them? __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

04-20-2007, 03:54 PM	#12
Heibges Admiral Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 2,182 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Police, like that military, at least have training in appropriate use of force. There are certainly times when it is abused, but there are a few hundred thousand police in the United States so you have to keep it in perspective. The proliferation of Private Security guards is troubling. With relatively little training you see these guys carrying guns. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/ Last edited by Heibges; 04-20-2007 at 04:44 PM.

04-20-2007, 05:45 PM	#13
P_Funk Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,488 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	What kind of guy do you think becomes a security guard usually?:p __________________

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