Help with PeriscopeTwistyThingyMod...

flakmonkey · 07-26-07, 04:29 AM

Well i thought it`d be nice to add the twisty wake deflector thingy to the periscopes.

There seems to be something odd going on though...
The periscopes should use NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga as their texture, however as you can see in the shots, the texture being used is actually Turm7c_1_deck.tga.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug1.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug2.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug3.jpg

I cant figure out just where this is coming from, the .obj files have NO references to this texture anywhere in them, the only texture in the file is NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga, and yet still sh3 insists on using this darn deck texture.

Ive tried everything but whatever i do the model still ends up with the wrong texture, whats going on??

(The new models were imported with version 1 of pack3d as versions 4-5 wont open the turm dat files and versions 2-3 wont import .obj files.)

Alex · 07-26-07, 04:50 AM

No idea on how to help you, mate... But I want to say that it's a pretty detail all the same. Keep up the great work !

DivingDuck · 07-26-07, 05:02 AM

Moin FM,

is your new twisted object a separate object you added to the *.dat or did you change the persicope´s 3d model?

which Turm...dat is it?

The *.dat files I checked have more than one texture node. So, if you use a separate model, the 3d models properties node (4/100) is pointing to the wrong texture. But I guess you´ve checked that already. If you changed the periscope model, make sure to use the same faces ID for the twisted thingy or adjust the properties node to use the correct texture.
Assuming you have used new face id´s for your thingy, here is what SHIII does. The properties node holds info about which texture to use for which face id. Let´s say you have 3 different face ids and 3 different textures. No problem at all. If you add a 4th face id, SHIII counts as follows:

face id #1 - texture #1
face id #2 - texture #2
face id #3 - texture #3
face id #4 - texture #1 ... (as there is no #4, SHIII starts counting at #1)

You´ll have to change the respective entries in the 4/100 properties node to tell SHIII there is a 4th texture to be used or assign the same face id.

Regards,
DD

dmlavan · 07-26-07, 11:17 AM

Flakmonkey,
This would be a great addition. I tried to do this but it greatly exceeded my meager modding capabilities.

flakmonkey · 07-27-07, 03:35 AM

It seems to be exceeding mine too.... i fall apart when it comes to hex editing etc... I guess im just more of a modeller than a modder.

DivingDuck · 07-27-07, 03:50 AM

Moin FM,

when I started modding i was a "never-touch-any-hex-code"-modeller myself.

Here´s my offer to you:

tell me which *.dat you changed and I´ll guide you through hex-editing
send me the *.dat and I´ll have a look at it

Regards,
DD

flakmonkey · 07-27-07, 06:15 AM

Thanks for the kind offer, the dat im working with is Turm7c_1_hd.dat

Although once its up and working i hope to add it to all type7 and type9 turms.

Ive uploaded the edited dat to savefile so you can take a look.
http://www.savefile.com/files/921836

I edited the original scope models to include the twisty thing rather than add it as a seperate object, the only texture they should use is NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga.
The original scopes also used Turm7c_1_deck.tga on a few faces, but for this mod id prefer the whole scope to use only the hull texture.

The objects i changed within the .dat are:
Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
Turm7c_1_periscop B_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop B_High

+Can you reccomend any good hex editing software, preferably free or at least cheap.

Thanks again - FM

ref · 07-27-07, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flakmonkey

I cant figure out just where this is coming from, the .obj files have NO references to this texture anywhere in them, the only texture in the file is NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga, and yet still sh3 insists on using this darn deck texture.[/COLOR]

Ive tried everything but whatever i do the model still ends up with the wrong texture, whats going on??

(The new models were imported with version 1 of pack3d as versions 4-5 wont open the turm dat files and versions 2-3 wont import .obj files.)

Open the mtl file with a text editor, and make sure the entry for your texture is in the first place
For example :

#MTL generated by Pack3D NCA_Tuscaloosa.dat
newmtl NCA_Tuscaloosa
Ka 0.0 0.0 0.0
Kd 0.3 0.3 0.3
Ks 0.1 0.1 0.1
d 1.0
illum 1
Ns 0
map_Kd NCA_Tuscaloosa_T01.tga

newmtl Tuscaloosa_deck
Ka 0.0 0.0 0.0
Kd 0.3 0.3 0.3
Ks 0.1 0.1 0.1
d 1.0
illum 1
Ns 0
map_Kd Tuscaloosa_deck.tga

Here you have two textures NCA_Tuscaloosa and Tuscaloosa_deck, pack 3d uses the order in the mtl file to import the object so with this mtl file NCA_Tuscaloosa=material 0 and Tuscaloosa_deck=material 1

#MTL generated by Pack3D NCA_Tuscaloosa.dat
newmtl Tuscaloosa_deck
Ka 0.0 0.0 0.0
Kd 0.3 0.3 0.3
Ks 0.1 0.1 0.1
d 1.0
illum 1
Ns 0
map_Kd Tuscaloosa_deck.tga

newmtl NCA_Tuscaloosa
Ka 0.0 0.0 0.0
Kd 0.3 0.3 0.3
Ks 0.1 0.1 0.1
d 1.0
illum 1
Ns 0
map_Kd NCA_Tuscaloosa_T01.tga

with this mtl file NCA_Tuscaloosa=material 1 and Tuscaloosa_deck=material 0, the names you use are discarded, just the positoin in the mtl file matters.

The periscope has two textures, hull first, deck second, remember pack 3d uses the order in the mtl file when it imports the object

Ref

DivingDuck · 07-27-07, 09:05 AM

Moin,

Quote:

Originally Posted by flakmonkey

The objects i changed within the .dat are:
Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
Turm7c_1_periscop B_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop B_High

+Can you reccomend any good hex editing software, preferably free or at least cheap.

Thanks again - FM

I would recommend http://hexworkshop.com (ca 50USD), a free one that will do fine for the beginning is Nextsoft Hex-Editor (http://nextsoft.de).

I´ve checked your files. You´ve used face id 1 only. The object properties (F_High / B_High) addresses two different textures. But that´s no problem at all.
Use the tweakfile I´ve written.

open turm7c_1_hd.dat with Pack3d (to find out the texture´s id)
open the tweakfile with MiniTweaker
put in the id of the texture you wish to use (all slots the same in this case)

That will do.

See pic below:

Download the tweakfile here.

Regards,
DD

dmlavan · 07-27-07, 03:52 PM

DD - This place will become boring if you ever quit. Every time I log in you're either working on or helping someone with a new mod!

rascal101 · 07-27-07, 08:32 PM

Jesus, been away from SH3 for a wile now look what you guys have been up to, can this be downloaded yet or is it still a work in progress

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivingDuck

Moin,

Quote:

Originally Posted by flakmonkey

The objects i changed within the .dat are:
Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
Turm7c_1_periscop B_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop F_High
SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop B_High

+Can you reccomend any good hex editing software, preferably free or at least cheap.

Thanks again - FM

I would recommend http://hexworkshop.com (ca 50USD), a free one that will do fine for the beginning is Nextsoft Hex-Editor (http://nextsoft.de).

I´ve checked your files. You´ve used face id 1 only. The object properties (F_High / B_High) addresses two different textures. But that´s no problem at all.
Use the tweakfile I´ve written.

open turm7c_1_hd.dat with Pack3d (to find out the texture´s id)
open the tweakfile with MiniTweaker
put in the id of the texture you wish to use (all slots the same in this case)

That will do.

See pic below:

Download the tweakfile here.

Regards,
DD

flakmonkey · 07-28-07, 08:48 AM

DD ... your a star

A6Intruder · 07-28-07, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flakmonkey

DD ... your a star

......with helping hands

Kind regards

Hellraiser · 07-28-07, 09:53 AM

They;re right DD. You are one special guy around here. If the community ever loses you It will be a sad day.

Thanks for all that you do!

Alex · 07-28-07, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DivingDuck

07-27-07, 03:35 AM	#5
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	It seems to be exceeding mine too.... i fall apart when it comes to hex editing etc... I guess im just more of a modeller than a modder. __________________

07-27-07, 03:50 AM	#6
DivingDuck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 902 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 1	Moin FM, when I started modding i was a "never-touch-any-hex-code"-modeller myself. Here´s my offer to you: tell me which .dat you changed and I´ll guide you through hex-editing send me the .dat and I´ll have a look at it Regards, DD __________________ http://www.filefront.com/user/DivingDuck \| OpenHatch_V3_RH (SHIII)

07-27-07, 06:15 AM	#7
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the kind offer, the dat im working with is Turm7c_1_hd.dat Although once its up and working i hope to add it to all type7 and type9 turms. Ive uploaded the edited dat to savefile so you can take a look. http://www.savefile.com/files/921836 I edited the original scope models to include the twisty thing rather than add it as a seperate object, the only texture they should use is NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga. The original scopes also used Turm7c_1_deck.tga on a few faces, but for this mod id prefer the whole scope to use only the hull texture. The objects i changed within the .dat are: Turm7c_1_periscop F_High Turm7c_1_periscop B_High SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop F_High SHD_Turm7c_1_periscop B_High +Can you reccomend any good hex editing software, preferably free or at least cheap. Thanks again - FM __________________

07-28-07, 08:48 AM	#12
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	DD ... your a star __________________

07-28-07, 09:53 AM	#14
Hellraiser Gunner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 99 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Amazing They;re right DD. You are one special guy around here. If the community ever loses you It will be a sad day. Thanks for all that you do!

07-26-07, 04:29 AM	#1
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Help with PeriscopeTwistyThingyMod... Well i thought it`d be nice to add the twisty wake deflector thingy to the periscopes. There seems to be something odd going on though... The periscopes should use NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga as their texture, however as you can see in the shots, the texture being used is actually Turm7c_1_deck.tga. http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug1.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug2.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/bug3.jpg I cant figure out just where this is coming from, the .obj files have NO references to this texture anywhere in them, the only texture in the file is NSS_Uboat7c_hull.tga, and yet still sh3 insists on using this darn deck texture. Ive tried everything but whatever i do the model still ends up with the wrong texture, whats going on?? (The new models were imported with version 1 of pack3d as versions 4-5 wont open the turm dat files and versions 2-3 wont import .obj files.) __________________

07-26-07, 04:50 AM	#2
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	No idea on how to help you, mate... But I want to say that it's a pretty detail all the same. Keep up the great work ! __________________

07-26-07, 05:02 AM	#3
DivingDuck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 902 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 1	Moin FM, is your new twisted object a separate object you added to the .dat or did you change the persicope´s 3d model? which Turm...dat is it? The .dat files I checked have more than one texture node. So, if you use a separate model, the 3d models properties node (4/100) is pointing to the wrong texture. But I guess you´ve checked that already. If you changed the periscope model, make sure to use the same faces ID for the twisted thingy or adjust the properties node to use the correct texture. Assuming you have used new face id´s for your thingy, here is what SHIII does. The properties node holds info about which texture to use for which face id. Let´s say you have 3 different face ids and 3 different textures. No problem at all. If you add a 4th face id, SHIII counts as follows: face id #1 - texture #1 face id #2 - texture #2 face id #3 - texture #3 face id #4 - texture #1 ... (as there is no #4, SHIII starts counting at #1) You´ll have to change the respective entries in the 4/100 properties node to tell SHIII there is a 4th texture to be used or assign the same face id. Regards, DD __________________ http://www.filefront.com/user/DivingDuck \| OpenHatch_V3_RH (SHIII)

07-26-07, 11:17 AM	#4
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	Flakmonkey, This would be a great addition. I tried to do this but it greatly exceeded my meager modding capabilities.

07-27-07, 03:52 PM	#10
dmlavan Weps Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 351 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	DD - This place will become boring if you ever quit. Every time I log in you're either working on or helping someone with a new mod!