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Old 07-22-16, 04:37 AM   #1559
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^ Hehe I think what he means is not an intentional bribed "Judas goat", but someone who does it voluntarily, because he indeed believes it is best for the people, thus generating a false... "harmony".
The "Judas" does not even take money anymore, he is brainwashed himself.


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Originally Posted by Betonov View Post
They enjoy tax payed benefits.
When you're from former Yugoslavia socialism means something positive. Something that benefited the population.
Socialism is the prestage which inevitably leads to communism, say Marx, and Engels.

In the socialist stage there are some private companies left which are not yet nationalised, and are temporarily being guided and then dissolved by the wise benevolent government of the people, which, in reality, astonishingly, consists of one person. Same as later with the communist final stage, only that all companies and corporations are nationalised. Still one dictator.
All for the good of the people, of course.
It is as it has always been: Every dictator has to invoke a legitimation for his rule, in former time it may have been brute force (also a legitimation: I can do it), but then came religion (deus vult), and now political theories of all kinds (good for the people). Or, a putsch/coup, but i digress..

In theory when the stage of communism has been reached, there is not even the need for a government anymore, let alone a dictator. It is the "people's rule", of all.

But what we see and have seen with "communism" is not the theoretical socialism or communism described and thought of by Marx, what happens is always a dictatorship.
We can discuss whether the latter is inevitable with humans, when they try to live by communism. But the end product is not communism as defined by Marx or Engels. In the real world, it always ends in a dictatorship.
So we can conclude that socialism and communism is probably a nice idea, but impossible to implement among the selfish and egoistic human race.
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice, not so much.

Capitalism is much closer to humanity, not ethical theoretical nonsense but pure plain and healthy greed (not being sarcastic here), turning out to be the best system, because in a way almost all can participate, and the general standard of living is higher than in all other systems and "...isms".
There may still be pity and helping others of course, but it is not the main principle.


Ok i get it that you say the corporations bribe the politicians, thus counterfeiting the wellbeing and will of the common people, and common sense. And the politicians use the people's tax money to even the way, for the corporations, e.g. by paying for the infrastructure a.s.o..
But why would you call that socialism?

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