View Single Post
Old 10-13-18, 04:54 PM   #11
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 40,532
Downloads: 9
Uploads: 0


Default

Your forgot the two Italian light carriers.


The Milo declaration was no treaty and just a declaration or intention, or recommendation. It has, at least to my knowledge, no legally binding power.


I do not see civilian ships as capable combat platforms, nor do i rate logistic support units and minelayers and amphibious landing platforms as suitable combat platforms that could survive a naval combat with hostile surface or submarine units. By the end of the day, there are six destroyers, 13 frigates and 6 hunter killer submarines (you do not send the four additional SLBM boats into ship hunting scen arios, do you). Thats 19 surface combatants, 6 submarines. 2x2 destroyers and 2x2 frigates and 2x2 submarines needed for the planned escort flotillas. Leaves you with 2 destroyers, 9 frigates and 2 subamrianes for time at port for supply and maintenance, patrolling, other proptective tasks, submarine hunting. - Global presenc,e global operations, with these numbers? Sorry, no way. Just one or two of these ships taken nmout could ruin much more than just your day. It wrecks your complete precise, clever formula - BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO REAL RESERVES.



In land warfare one would talk of "overstretching".



Imagine that money spend on additional submarine hunters (aerial and naval), a capabilitity that all NATO has become shockingly weak in. Smaller, cheaper units, to boost the numbers for those precious non-Russia and non-China scenarios: like defending or sealing off territorial borders and coastline, When I read that the RN plans to escort Russian warships passing close by or through the Channel by light patrol boats or minesweepers, then i question the point in shadowing them at all. I have no understanding for this kind of symbolic nonsense. Either a measure has substance, or it has not.



The usefulness of these plans with the carriers, and their economic costs, simply do not compute for me.



Not to get too long again, Kapitan. We simpyl disagree much in the optimism we meet these points with. You have much more optimism than I have, it seems. And maybe you give too much, at leats more than i do, for declarations, plans and printed paper numbers (procurement numbers, technical efficiency). I tick differently on these things, too: what can go wrong, will go wrong sooner or later, and even more so under the pressure of war. Politicians always plan with small cost numbers, to see their project being waved through, alter they either have to mutliply the cost assessment, or they have to cut down the intended numbers. Happens all the time, everywhere, it seems.



__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote