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Originally Posted by Thrackerzod
So I've started a fleet boat career in a Gar, and on returning from my last patrol was just promoted to a Gato. I have however noticed, even up to this point on May 25th 1942, I still do not have a single upgrade available.
Still stuck with the single .50cal AA gun, stern mounted 3" deck gun, no surface search radar available still. I am unsure if this is something to do with FOTRSU 0.80 or something else...…...
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As far as upgrades to the Radar (from only having SD Radar to acquiring SJ Surface Search Radar) you don't get it until mid year 1942...….you're not there yet! Same with the other possible upgrades, you're too early for them to either be offered or exist.
The change of the weapons (Deck Gun; AA Guns) will occur automatically. This was done to eliminate a Stock game problem that would not give you a specific weapon after having it "offered" and you paying for it with accumulated renown (again, a long standing issue with the Stock game). You'd buy the upgraded weapon, or change the position of the Deck Gun, only to discover no gun at all placed on the sub.
A player will be given the upgrade when in port, it will cost nothing to upgrade to either a larger gun, or to reposition the Deck Gun Cannon.
The following are the availability dates for the various upgrades:
S-Class Submarines
Surface Search Radar
(SJ Radar) 1942-06-01 to 1943-05-31
(SJ-1 Improved) 1943-06-01 to 1945-12-31
Air Search Radar
(SD Radar) 1941-12-01 to 1943-03-11
(Improved SD Radar) 1943-03-12 to 1945-12-31
Deck Gun
(3inch .50cal) 1941-12-01 to 1942-07-31
(4inch .50cal) 1942-08-01 to 1943-12-31
(5inch .25cal) 1944-01-01 to 1945-12-31
AA Gun
(.50cal Browning) 1941-12-01 to 1942-05-01
(20mm Oerlikon Single) 1942-05-02 to 1942-12-31
(20mm Oerlikon Twin) 1943-01-01 to 1945-12-31
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Porpoise ; Tambor ; Gar ; Gato ; Salmon ; Sargo Submarines
Surface Search Radar
(SJ Radar) 1942-06-01 to 1943-05-31
(SJ-1 Improved) 1943-06-01 to 1944-12-31
(ST Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Air Search Radar
(SD Radar) 1941-12-01 to 1943-03-11
(Improved SD Radar) 1943-03-12 to 1944-12-31
( SV Elite Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Deck Gun
(3inch .50cal Stern Mount) 1941-12-01 to 1942-03-31
(3inch .50cal Bow Mount) 1942-04-01 to 1942-07-31
(4inch .50cal Stern Mount) 1942-08-01 to 1942-12-31
(4inch .50cal Bow Mount) 1943-01-01 to 1943-12-31
(5inch .25cal Stern Mount) 1944-01-01 to 1944-07-31
(5inch .25cal Bow Mount) 1944-08-01 to 1945-03-01
(5inch .25cal Twin Cannons) 1945-03 02 to 1945-12-31
AA Gun
(.50cal Browning) 1941-12-01 to 1942-05-01
(20mm Oerlikon Single) 1942-05-02 to 1942-12-31
(20mm Oerlikon Twin) 1943-01-01 to 1943-07-31
(40mm Bofors Single) 1943-08-01 to 1944-05-31
(40mm Bofors Twin) 1944-06-01 to 1945-12-31
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Narwhal Submarine
Surface Search Radar
(SJ Radar) 1942-06-01 to 1943-05-31
(SJ-1 Improved) 1943-06-01 to 1944-12-31
(ST Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Air Search Radar
(SD Radar) 1941-12-01 to 1943-03-11
(Improved SD Radar) 1943-03-12 to 1944-12-31
( SV Elite Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Deck Gun
(4inch .50cal Twin) 1941-12-01 to 1945-12-31
AA Gun
(.50cal Browning) 1941-12-01 to 1942-05-01
(20mm Oerlikon Single) 1942-05-02 to 1942-12-31
(20mm Oerlikon Twin) 1943-01-01 to 1943-07-31
(40mm Bofors Single) 1943-08-01 to 1944-05-31
(40mm Bofors Twin) 1944-06-01 to 1945-12-31
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Balao ; Tench Submarines
Surface Search Radar
(SJ Radar) 1942-06-01 to 1943-05-31
(SJ-1 Improved) 1943-06-01 to 1944-12-31
(ST Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Air Search Radar
(SD Radar) 1941-12-01 to 1943-03-11
(Improved SD Radar) 1943-03-12 to 1944-12-31
( SV Elite Radar) 1945-01-01 to 1945-12-31
Deck Gun
(3inch .50cal Stern Mount) 1941-12-01 to 1942-03-31
(3inch .50cal Bow Mount) 1942-04-01 to 1942-07-31
(4inch .50cal Stern Mount) 1942-08-01 to 1942-12-31
(4inch .50cal Bow Mount) 1943-01-01 to 1943-12-31
(5inch .25cal Stern Mount) 1944-01-01 to 1944-07-31
(5inch .25cal Bow Mount) 1944-08-01 to 1945-03-01
(5inch .25cal Twin Cannons) 1945-03 02 to 1945-12-31
AA Gun
(20mm Oerlikon Single) 1941-12-01 to 1942-12-31
(20mm Oerlikon Twin) 1943-01-01 to 1943-07-31
(40mm Bofors Single) 1943-08-01 to 1944-05-31
(40mm Bofors Twin) 1944-06-01 to 1945-12-31
A player will be able to choose if he wishes to keep his current equipment or step-up to the next upgrade. The Radar's for all subs will be provided at the above dates, however for a price of Renown, the units may be able to be purchased earlier, depends on date and specific equipment.
This list will be in the next release version under "Support".
I should point out regarding Hydrophone "passive" sonar use, that the S-Class, Narwhal, and Porpoise submarines require you to be submerged before the Hydrophone Station will provide the player with a detected target (allowing you to "hear" the ship). Your Sonar man will detect and report a finding by using "active" Sonar, but for the player to "hear" a target, you'll need to have the passive Hydrophone receiver (that's "deck" mounted on these three early submarines) to be below the surface. The active Sonar sending/receiving unit is mounted on the bottom of the hull on ALL subs, allowing for surfaced active Sonar use by either the Crew AI (Sonar man), or you the player, while at the Hydrophone/Sonar Station.
The S-Class does not change passive Hydrophone deck mounted receivers throughout the war. You'll always need to be submerged to manually use the passive Hydrophone with the S-Class subs. However, both Porpoise and Narwhal will receive a hull mounted passive Hydrophone receiver after September, 1942 allowing the sub to be surfaced and still hear a passive Hydrophone found target..
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As far as a "Patch 5".....that's something that should have NEVER been brought up in open Forum discussions. One of the guys on the team produced it for only a few to try and for some reason it got "Published" here in this thread!? There is no "Patch" available for the community.
There's a new version coming soon (I HOPE), talk to the guy who's got his name on this thread about when?