[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Depending on the weapon it is being fired from yes.If you watched that video you'd know that with that judge he had to hold very low to hit the aim point and Hickock45 is a very experienced shooter shooting at a location he is very familiar with.

I've never seen any of his videos. I'll check them out tomorrow.

In my opinion .40 caliber is over rated people diss 9x19mm all the time but you shot a heavier grain bullet and it is pretty effective the target/cheapo round are 115 grain you really need 124,134 or 147 grain rounds.NATO uses 124 grain ball FMJ.There are also some high end 115 grain rounds out there.The thing with the 115s is they have a pretty high velocity and they can pass through very fast and not do much damage of course they might pass through and keep going at a slower velocity of course.

I'm not doubting the 9x19's effectiveness or reliability or anything...I really like the caliber...but it's just the "shortage" (if you can call it that) is bad on the 9x19 as well as the .223

I'd rather get something different. Something a bit heavier...but not overkill...and not too expensive.

.40 seems just about right. I liked how it handled when I fired that .40 Compact and it's not an overrated caliber by any means IMO.

An overrated caliber would be the .50 Action Express in the Desert Eagle

In my opinion you either go 9x19mm or you step it up to .45ACP I would rather have 12+1 rounds of .45 than 13+1 or .40 cal any day.That is just how I feel though but you can do some research and find that elite units have variations what they prefer for a side arm though they tend to use either 9x19mm or .45 9x19mm is so common your enemy is likely to also use it in some of their weapons.But the preference for some units with 9x19mm stems form the concept of violence of action engagement and putting rounds into the threat until it is fully neutralized and down dead as dead.The SAS guys that raided the Iranian embassy in 1980 they used MP-5s and had Browning High-Powers as sides arms (both 9x19mm) some of the terrorists had over 100 bullet wounds in their bodies of course SAS counter terror troopers are the best combat shooters you can find they only have peers not anyone superior.

There's some good points....both 9x19 and .45 are good calibers. I think the elite units use 9x19 so they don't have to worry about shooting through a body. A 9mm will bounce around more than a .45 after impact. IIRC, Hollow Points and other expanding ammo is illegal for militaries to use ever since one of the Conventions. Don't remember which one....but it doesn't stop Police from using HP ammo. I've used HP ammo for hunting. That certainly gets the job done and makes a nice hole. I had Jacketed Hollow Points and Soft Points in my rifle the year I killed my big 6 Point (Should've been an 8...but got cheated out of two). I had about 5 JHP and what was left of the box of SP. I ended up needing more ammo than I should have since the first shot hit the spine in the back (it was almost too dark to see) and it tried to keep on going. I couldn't hit it at range (~120 yards) so I took the JHP and ran up there.

That was the end of that. JHP will make a nice hole. If militaries were allowed to use it, there would be some ugly holes for the doc to patch up. But since they can't use HP ammo, they use smaller calibers.

I do not know enough about the FN 5.7mm round but I do know that the market version is much weaker than the military version also the ammo is very expensive only a few firearm in the world use 5.7mm.

I like the 5.7 round. The casing itself can fit perfectly inside a 7.62x39 casing. It's a small bullet...but you have 20+1. While the civilian ammo is, indeed, weaker...it's still a good caliber. I imagine that it's easy to handle and good shooting.

And anything FN makes is pretty cool anyway.