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Skybird · 05-14-19, 05:02 AM

For most what you claim as positives the eU or a similiar organsiation would not be needed. Some of the claimed qualities are misattrubuted by you to the eU. Negatives it brings get underestimated by you.

The bureaucracy argument is nto about the staff the EU maitains, but the adminstrational procudres it gags whole europe and business with anbd wjcih gets worse and worse.

The EU as is and as it wants t become combines themes and issues and enforces them en bloc that have nothign to do with each other. It oinks these issues, the wanted to the non wante dones in order to enforce the unwanted ones as well - althoughl as I saidm they have nothign to do with other things.

The EU and the Euro have pushed conficts that fuels them that before, 20, 30 years ago, were almost unimagiable to exist.

An awesome lot about the issues with the EU can be learned from these two article I had linked in the UK thread.

You do not need to link mass migration from abroad, to a free market. The EU is not the actor that won the cold war or keeps shipping lanes open and Russia away. The Euro is not the source of endless prosperity of all and equality in welath distrubution, it is the opposite and consumes already now the fiscal basis for the future of the young.

No, thre eU cannot be reformed from within. The net receiver alliance soon will have voting majority in the union and in the Euro zone. They will not let their hosts of whose blood they live, get away. And Schäuble and other Germn stuids want to chnage voting mechanisms in the EU so that the majority of the receivers weigh even heavier and that resistence to EU wanted ways in policy defining can no longer be vetoed by a few actors.

The EU must be brought down. The polticians and parties wanting it, must eb brought down. teh whoke rotten scheme has to be brought down.

Else it brings Europe down.

The state the eU is in, hardly is an argument for how great it is. Impotent, ignored, laughed at, internally at odds with itself, only strong enough to bully small, single countries in the third world and dictate them tarrifs, terms and conditions. Russia, China, America only laugh about it - and make best abusive use of it where the can. And the eU offers many weak flanks where it is - well, as I said, just impotent. Nothing of the smblogical polcies it runs and the theatre acts it stages, can chnage that, that is all just whsiteling alone in the dark forest.

A free trade zone, for that you get my vote. And not for anything more. No super state. No centralism. No continental planned economy. No overruling of natioanl governments. No shared one currency. No Brussel foreign policy. No enforced mass migration from abroad. A free trade zone, the indispensible basis for growing wealth and the best system to foster peace and freedom. Keep the rest of the EU and and flush it in the loo. Its not wnated, its not needed, it just is expression of narcissistic craving for attention and careers, and megalomania, and socialist redistribution fantasies.

A new study found that if the US would leave NATO, the costs for Europe to compensate that equipment would be - depending on the conflict scenario choosen being securing of trade lines at sea or keeping Russia away range between low 200 billions and high 30 billions - and that excludes costs for actual war operations, its just about aquioring the equipment and wepaon platforms. Now see the heklpless imptence by whcih the eU acts in the Iran-US confrontation. This tells all one needs to know about what the eU wants to be, and what it really can be. That the eU claims credits for peace and freedom in Europe that belong to NATO, is just the arrogant cream on the cake. Its called "forging history".

The eU is a club of rabblerousers and special interest group activists - that includes career politicians - that does not want to realise that the era of European economic and cultural and military dominance in the world is over and that the old world is not only old by now, but domestically depleted and economically weak and militarily impotent.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,500 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	For most what you claim as positives the eU or a similiar organsiation would not be needed. Some of the claimed qualities are misattrubuted by you to the eU. Negatives it brings get underestimated by you. The bureaucracy argument is nto about the staff the EU maitains, but the adminstrational procudres it gags whole europe and business with anbd wjcih gets worse and worse. The EU as is and as it wants t become combines themes and issues and enforces them en bloc that have nothign to do with each other. It oinks these issues, the wanted to the non wante dones in order to enforce the unwanted ones as well - althoughl as I saidm they have nothign to do with other things. The EU and the Euro have pushed conficts that fuels them that before, 20, 30 years ago, were almost unimagiable to exist. An awesome lot about the issues with the EU can be learned from these two article I had linked in the UK thread. You do not need to link mass migration from abroad, to a free market. The EU is not the actor that won the cold war or keeps shipping lanes open and Russia away. The Euro is not the source of endless prosperity of all and equality in welath distrubution, it is the opposite and consumes already now the fiscal basis for the future of the young. No, thre eU cannot be reformed from within. The net receiver alliance soon will have voting majority in the union and in the Euro zone. They will not let their hosts of whose blood they live, get away. And Schäuble and other Germn stuids want to chnage voting mechanisms in the EU so that the majority of the receivers weigh even heavier and that resistence to EU wanted ways in policy defining can no longer be vetoed by a few actors. The EU must be brought down. The polticians and parties wanting it, must eb brought down. teh whoke rotten scheme has to be brought down. Else it brings Europe down. The state the eU is in, hardly is an argument for how great it is. Impotent, ignored, laughed at, internally at odds with itself, only strong enough to bully small, single countries in the third world and dictate them tarrifs, terms and conditions. Russia, China, America only laugh about it - and make best abusive use of it where the can. And the eU offers many weak flanks where it is - well, as I said, just impotent. Nothing of the smblogical polcies it runs and the theatre acts it stages, can chnage that, that is all just whsiteling alone in the dark forest. A free trade zone, for that you get my vote. And not for anything more. No super state. No centralism. No continental planned economy. No overruling of natioanl governments. No shared one currency. No Brussel foreign policy. No enforced mass migration from abroad. A free trade zone, the indispensible basis for growing wealth and the best system to foster peace and freedom. Keep the rest of the EU and and flush it in the loo. Its not wnated, its not needed, it just is expression of narcissistic craving for attention and careers, and megalomania, and socialist redistribution fantasies. A new study found that if the US would leave NATO, the costs for Europe to compensate that equipment would be - depending on the conflict scenario choosen being securing of trade lines at sea or keeping Russia away range between low 200 billions and high 30 billions - and that excludes costs for actual war operations, its just about aquioring the equipment and wepaon platforms. Now see the heklpless imptence by whcih the eU acts in the Iran-US confrontation. This tells all one needs to know about what the eU wants to be, and what it really can be. That the eU claims credits for peace and freedom in Europe that belong to NATO, is just the arrogant cream on the cake. Its called "forging history". The eU is a club of rabblerousers and special interest group activists - that includes career politicians - that does not want to realise that the era of European economic and cultural and military dominance in the world is over and that the old world is not only old by now, but domestically depleted and economically weak and militarily impotent. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-14-19 at 05:13 AM.