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Old 02-03-18, 05:26 AM   #51
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Ok Ladies and Gentlemen keep it down Just my 2 cents coming in here.

Operation Atrina information which was gathered by the United States was declassified by the USN in 2005 and is available for public viewing.
Operation Atrina information in Russia today was declassified around the same time 2004/5.

Now we all know that the United states and the UK well generally the west has better technology when it comes to computers we don't really need to make a comparison of this it is well known.

I think a lot of the west does have a superiority complex when it comes to east v west topic, and i am talking as someone who is from the west and spent a lot of time in the east also.

Atrina had two main goals, "the first goal of atrina was to find new routes into the Atlantic ocean, as we knew that the British and Americans could predict where we were headed using the traditional routes"

"The second goal was to study the anti submarine techniques and deployments of western forces trying to find us"
(Quoted from Captain of K524 Sergey Kourov)

Out of the five captains that took part i know of two; Captain Victor Alikov who is nicknamed the prince of darkness, and Captain Surgey Kourov both took part in Atrina.

During this mission it is noted and confirmed offically both by the United States and the Soviet Union that ASW forces were increased considerably during this time.

It is a confirmed fact that the United States deployed 6 Los Angeles types in order to bolster their forces in the Atlantic this is confirmed by the USN, it is also known that 3 hydro-graphic ships of the Stalwart type were also deployed in ASW activity against the 5 submarines, it is also a fact that more ASW aircraft from land based establishments on the east coast and the islands were also deployed in greater than usual numbers.

The United Kingdom also pitched in with its forces the Light carrier HMS Invincible was diverted from her duties along with her escorting ships to track the soviet submarines. this is a fact which was disclosed by Rear Admiral Christopher Parry in 2006 and he is a former commander of Polaris and Trident submarines for the Royal Navy.

During the operation Admiral Chernavin had authorized the use of "sound simulators" something that was to be used only in war time normally but assisted in the submarines remaining undetected for 8 days.

It is confirmed that the United States and the UK had tracked by Satellites the deployment of five victor III type submarines from their base in Zapadnya Litsa, a trailing unknown United States and British submarines that was patrolling nearby also recorded and reported increased submarine activity in the area.

The UK and European NATO allies (Excluding France as it ceased to be a member in 1966) were responsible for the GIUK (Greenland Iceland United Kingdom gap) this is where known SOSUS nets were deployed, however the Victors had already changed course and were heading away from the area.

We do know my the declassification they took an un-charted route into the Atlantic and made there way to Bermuda, before another rapid course change.

It was then the intelligence stated 6 Los Angeles class submarines had been put to sea, the captains had also observed a heavily increased anti submarine patrols by aircraft in the region, it is also known that the USN based in Rota Spain also put to sea "blocking" the Straight of Gibraltar with ASW forces but also limitedly deploying into the med (as other units from the Black sea were at the time operational in that area), they were also assisting the 6th fleet based in Naples Italy.

Rear Admiral Christopher Parry does state "it took us 8 days to find them"

According to Admiral Chernavin by the time the Western ASW forces had located the submarines the mission was already over they were returning to base.

It is known and confirmed by both the RN and USN that only 4 of the 5 boats were identified the 5th boat was that of Captain Victor Alikov.

So while the USN and RN had the upper hand in technology it didn't always play to their advantages something clearly atrina exploited that, so while the USA and UK believed SOSUS was their see all and be all in fact we know now that it really wasn't and that given the leaks with in the USN al'la walker it is known and confirmed SOSUS was starting to show its age and not be able to detect the newer classes of submarines, that's a fact confirmed by DR John P Craven in 1999 he goes on to say "those who believe the USA didn't have a great intelligence network is just pure Bull"

So with all the facts laid out i have to ask this question: why would the USA and UK deploy such vast forces to find 5 submarines? if as the claim by one poster states they knew all the time where soviet submarines were.


As a side note it is known that a November class Submarine K14 trailed the USS Daniel Boone it was only detached when an attack submarine managed to Shepard it away, the submarine did use the SOKS system and K14 was the trials boat for this system, the CIA declassified in 2017 its knowledge of the SOKS system.

It is also known and confirmed the the Victor III class submarine Tracked and trailer USN submarines leaving Bangor Washington in 1985 while on deployment off the east coast the submarine is confirmed to be K314.



I have spent the best part of 15 years working with / for the British MOD from working on ships that are STUFT (Ships Taken Up From Trade)(yeah that's the best acronym the UK government has ever come up with IMHO) to Logistics which is my specialization, i have worked in many capacities.

I have been on board many types of submarines across the world including Russian American Japanese and French boats a lot of my work ends me on naval bases hence why i also make a point of at least trying to get some pictures here and there when possible.

My last goal this year is to end my job (which i love) and move full time to Canada and no i don't want another Job in the Canadian MOD either! i was thinking more Walmart
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