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Originally Posted by Rockstar
Sorry but I wave the B.S. flag on the 'not one inch' westward NATO expansion broken promises excuse. Even Mikhail Gorbachov said the agreement was to allow for the timely removal of Russian forces from East Germany and former Soviet bloc countries, that's it, end of story. Russia got time to peacfully remove itself from Eastern Germany and in return left you Merkel.
Number two NATO expansion westward is based on invitation and the acceptance by independent nations. Those independent nations DO NOT require the permission of Putin.
Poor little Russia, horse crap. They made their bed now lie in it.
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The West gave Russia its word, and then showed that this was worth nothing. You may say now: "Your own guilt, you stupid Russians", but do not be surprised that they learned the lesson and never give a dime for any of your future promises, announcement and lip confessions again.
I know that it was not signed in a treaty that NAOT shoudl stay away. But NATO told the Russians: if you stick to your word, we stick to ours. They did what they said they woudl do, and pulled out - and NATO broke its own word and moved in.
That lesson sank deep. Got fooled once, never get fooled again.
And Gorbatchev - that is a topic in itself. Dont get me started. He was not the only one doing a lot of talking at that time. I recall that even American and NAOT diplomats later admitted that according assurances were made in spoken words. And I also recall that one American could not resist to lecture the world on the difference between a verbal assurance, which in his view obviously can be ignored any time, and a written treaty.
That today nobody wnats to hear this anymore and treats it as if it never happened, is clear. Nobody likes to admit that he played unfair. And it was the time when the victory of the West was declared, and the end of history was announced, and everybody in the West was full of his ego, and the defeat of socialsim was celebrated.
Well, there is news. Socialism is stronger than ever in the past 100 years in Europe, and Sovjet cult celbrates a great revival in Russia.