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Old 09-20-18, 02:34 AM   #5381
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Originally Posted by Skybird View Post
You'd be surprised how many people just will not care, because for them politics is just about "our guy" being the last man standing, no matter what. Crowds accept surprisingly big damage to their own interests just to avoid needing to realise that "their guy" is a piece of garbage. Because that would tell them something unpleasant about themselves. And the greater their investments into "their guy" and his fame and glory, the less motivation there will be in the future to question him or said investments - because that would mean to risk that past investments were thrown out of the window. Conclusion: we must invest even more to prevent that there will ever be judgement day coming and all our earlier investments go lost. And so: from bad to worse, from worse to worst.

Its a known pattern in politics and sociology, sociologists even have their own name and model for it.

Another argument on the long list of arguments speaking against "democracy" and general elections for just every Peter and Paul. Voting is like hooliganism in Britain. Males meeting on weekends to trade kicks and strikes and beat each other up, do not do it because they have personal anger at the other individual. They do it for some archaic tribal totem-fetishism. Who has the longest - thats what it comes down to. This ground is ours. Us and Them. And politics show that.

Not even the Vulcans would be able to clean up this mess. Its archaic behaviour on so deep-rooting instinct level that I would not mind to call it animalistic.

Or as Freud said: civilization is only a very thin layer of paint on the surface, all too easily being scratched off.

Its politics and the political caste that must be ended. Else we will end like the Easter Islanders, from the hands of politicians, by the use of politics.

Also, we are too many.
I do not always agree with Skybird but that summarizes it very good...The meta concern for me is if Western democracy will "survive" in the long end against systems like the Chinese one.

I am still a bit optimistic seeing the current struggle as related to the transformation to the digital revolution and its negative consequences for quite a large portion of citizens and especially workers.

But what really concerns me is the culture shift....not only in the US but also in my country and Europe in general, which is reflected also in this forum thread.
People do not arguing anymore about who has the best concepts, improving their lives, society and in general the world like it was in former times. They blame each other like if the other be would be a criminal, having no respect and no intention to find together solutions.

But this is a prerequisite to make a democracy work. How could it be happen that we have forgotten this ?
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