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Originally Posted by ikalugin
Ahh, so it was an appeal to authority.
p.s. it is amusing to see how one who uses "silent" in the "silent service" as cover for his apparent appeals to authority decides that the oponent has no in-depth knowledge of subject when confronted (on the matter of said fallacious argument) or when the oponent does not comment on him having or not having clearance.
case closed indeed.
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You are trolling with disinformation, conjecture, and innuendo masquerading as profound insight.
As previously stated, those of us with knowledge of the subject, (ASW operations and capabilities) won't be discussing classified information. Without a clearance and ASW experience, one might know 2% on the subject. Effective ASW is as much an art as it is a science, and there's a lot of formal training required to mastering them.
Of one thing you may be assured, (from those of us with in-depth experience and knowledge of the subject) is that within the timeframe of this game, the US Navy submarine force sailed with impunity and while respectful of Soviet submarines, was not intimidated one iota by them.
TRAINING GENERATES CONFIDENCE / EXPERIENCE DELIVERS EXPERTISE
In the submarine community, those of us in the sonar rating were superbly trained, attending various schools for up to two years, (The Q-5 maintenance course was nine months long alone) prior to ever setting foot onboard a boat, which is where the real training begins.
In contrast, most US college students spend four years attending classes for a few hours a week. We spent forty hours a week in a formal setting, not including night study with a teaching assistant to help us out. During inport periods, additional training courses were scheduled, including sonar and attack team trainers followed by countless drills and exercises at sea preparing for the next deployment. If you aren't doing the real thing, then you're training, anytime you're at sea.
All prospective sonar supervisors with at least a year of sea time were required to complete a seven-week Submarine Sonar Subjective Analysis, (SSSA, or as we called it, "Triple-S A") acoustic intelligence course. We filled out a two-hundred page workbook of mostly Russian-oriented intelligence information from lectures and then committed it to memory for the final. During the practical portion of the final, each student was presented with a recording of a vessel recorded by an SSN from a SPECOP and we used all of the same equipment onboard the ship to analyze the acoustic data, interpret the results, and render a classification with other acoustic cues to back up our decision. The written portion of the test was four hours long. Anyone who completed this would agree it was a very tough course.
It was never our goal to just prevail in the water column, but to dominate, and there's a big difference between those two words. Whether you take my word for it or not is irrelevant; history will bear this out. Maybe you are confusing authority with truth, I cannot tell, but truth eventually wins.
The only thing you have conclusively proven with your posts thus far is your incomplete knowledge of the subject matter since you have ZERO experience other than what you read in open source publications, which is often wildly inaccurate, and woefully incomplete due to the classified nature of the subject. Amateurs who pretend to know what they're talking about regarding naval operations are called "armchair admirals" for a reason. Your continuing posts defending your untenable position only serve to confirm this assessment.
"Opponent"? This isn't even a fight (or an argument.) You're just wasting server bandwidth, trying to pretend you're knowledgeable about something you're not. You aren't qualified, (in more ways than one) to debate anything regarding the subject of 1980's-era ASW with any degree of authority.
The game as coded is a very good representation of the capabilities involved at the time using the information available now. As such, those of us who have "been there, done that" enjoy playing it, which is the highest tribute a developer can receive. But just like owning a gun and playing SOCOM doesn't make one an authority of SEAL tactics, neither does playing Cold Waters, (or any other publicly-released submarine simulation) and reading open source literature make one an authority on submarine operations. You would do well to remember that.
But in the interests of free speech, you may pretend to know what you're talking about as much as you want. . . Knock yourself out; it still doesn't change a thing. By continuing to make wild claims with insufficient proof, you only continue to embarrass yourself, "admiral"
As for real tactical employment methodology, those details have not been released. And truth IS stranger than fiction.
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