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Old 08-09-14, 12:21 PM   #136
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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey View Post
I remember seeing a video of an interview with one of the first experts who got to the crash site saying he thinks it was shot down and says basically the same thing regarding the cockpit holes.
You mean this guy?



At minute 6:00 he says: "There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have really been pock-marked, it looks like machine gun fire - very very strong machine gun fire. (...) We also have been asked for example have we seen any samples of missile. No, we haven't, that's the answer. And even if it was there - we don't have those trained eyes to pick that up. But now we have those experts here who would be able to."

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I apologize that I did not note it earlier, but the full text I mentioned is available in English translation as well. It is even linked to in the German text, at the very top. Completely my own fault, sorry. I simply did not see it.

Here it is in English:

http://www.anderweltonline.com/wisse...alaysian-mh17/

And do like the guy says, download that picture in highres, it is quite revelaing even for laymen, I would say: clearly both sides of the cockpit were being shot at from two direcitons, the plate has both entry and exit holes (which means it was penetrated from both sides):

http://www.anderweltonline.com/filea...kpit-MH017.pdf

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I recommend to click on the little picture to the right. You can download this photo as a PDF in good resolution. This is necessary, because that will allow you understand what I am describing here. The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likeley that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile. The edge of the other, the larger and slightly frayed exit holes showing shreds of metal pointing produced by the same caliber projectiles. Moreover, it is evident that at these exit holes of the outer layer of the double aluminum reinforced structure are shredded or bent – outwardly! Furthermore, minor cuts can be seen, all bent outward, which indicate that shrapnel had forcefull exited through the outer skin from the inside of the cockpit. The open rivets are are also bent outward.


In sifting through the available images one thing stands out: All wreckage of the sections behind the cockpit are largely intact, except for the fact that only fragments of the aircraft remained . Only the cockpit part shows these peculiar marks of destruction. This leaves the examiner with an important clue. This aircraft was not hit by a missile in the central portion. The destruction is limited to the cockpit area. Now you have to factor in that this part is constructed of specially reinforced material. This is on account of the nose of any aircraft having to withstand the impact of a large bird at high speeds. You can see in the photo, that in this area significantly stronger aluminum alloys were being installed than in the remainder of the outer skin of the fuselage. One remembers the crash of Pan Am over Lockerbie. It was a large segment of the cockpit that due to the special architecture survived the crash in one piece. In the case of flight MH 017 it becomes abundantly clear that there also an explosion took place inside the aircraft.
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