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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
Happy Easter.
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And a happy Easter to you!
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See this is where the conversation ends. That statement shows you didn't read the article.
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No, I read it.
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And if you did, you choose to ignore the realities of it and the facts that were found when your idea is put into practice in Florida. 108 cases out of 4086. And the same amount of applications as before. 2.6%!
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Yes - but that number also
discounts the almost 1600 applicants that refused the drug test and thus withdrew their application.
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http://www.drugfree.org/uncategorize...o-drug-testing
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That's not 37% or 10% or whatever number you're coming up with from lala land.
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Its not lala land - its fact. Examine it: Put those back into the equation. Out of a total of 7,028 applications, call it 1600 withdrawn OR failed the test (since less than 1% that took it failed). THAT is fact. And guess what - it equals 22% of the total.
You see - what your article neglects to mention is how many of those who applied refused the test and thus withdrew. That is a significantly statistical portion - nearly 1 out of every 4!
Take a look at just one month's numbers - which show nearly 10% effect
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http://www.floridafga.org/2011/09/th...sh-assistance/
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It's a disbelief of reality. And that's unreasonable.
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No Mookie - citing one source alone that does not account for all the variables, ignoring the HHS memo I included, and then accepting spin without taking the time to consider all the facts - means the "2.6%" claim is false.
We both know that numbers can be manipulated - and in this case the writer of your article got a nice, low number that he wanted by using the numbers he wanted. Did applications drop? No. Did they find lots of drug users? No. Both of those statements in the article were true. However, an absolutely significant portion of applications were stopped when people found out they would get drug tested and that there were repercussions to a failed test -and the article neglected - whether purposely or not - to mention that very important fact. Had it mentioned that - then it would not have been able to support its conclusion. Which is why the conclusion is wrong.