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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Thanks for the citations Skwiot also indicates that the re-siting of the 20cm occurred in early 1940:

I think we can safely discard Stern's statement.

I agree

Originally Posted by keysersoze

As for the MG151, it's not really imperative that we model it, as I have only ever found reference to its installation aboard U553, and then only for trials. Skwiot also mentions that there was some experimentation as early as 1936 with a twin C/30 mount for destroyers, but that these tests were unsatisfactory and were discontinued. Maybe BdU thought of reviving a Dopp. C/30 mount in June 1942, but then gave up on the idea when the C/38s became available.

I also agree. In any case, since the MG151 is currently not modelled in game, reasoning on it is a bit premature, though I don't exclude the addition of new guns when we will discover how GR2 animations do work. Whe are relying on TDW and our talented 3D modellers on it.

Originally Posted by keysersoze

All of our sources seem to be in relative harmony about the dates and composition of the turm upgrades, so I don't think it will be too difficult to set renown cost and availability for them. But on the same subject, do you know how the game handles replacing the tower in relation to replacing the flak guns? It seems that upgrading the tower and the flak guns happened simultaneously. For example, upgrading to Turm II should not just change the tower arrangement, but it should also add a second C/38 mount on the wintergarden. Will the game automatically add a second gun, or will we need to purchase it with renown? I don't think a boat would have been upgraded to Turm II unless a second C/38 was available and ready to be installed.

Good question. I haven't gone that far in the game. I think turm upgrades are selectable as other upgrades from the upgrades selection interface. Nonetheless, they are not listed among other upgrades in UpgradePacks.upc. Any ideas?

Even so, the available conning towers are visible in the Submarine Parts folder of each playable U-boat type: type VIIA got only one of them, VIIB got three, two for VIIC and again two for the VIIC/41. Subtracting the standard towers which each U-boat is issued with, it means respectively 0, 2, 1 and 1 upgrades. Each configuration got a number of "slots". I didn't look in depth into the way these slots are set yet, but I think each of them can accept only some guns. UnitParts*.upc files might play a role in assigning the standard gun mounted on each slot of each conning tower, and in setting the ones which can be accepted as upgrades.

I am currently dealing with other stuff, but investigating the aforementioned settings before dealing with dates and renown costs might be opportune, if you get time for it.