sorry guys for the wall of text - but I have to answer Skybird
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Originally Posted by Skybird
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As someone who is able to read the article, I feel obliged to reply:
No it is not spot on, only 60% right, like most from "Die Welt"
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Das Problem ist nur, dass die Soziologisierung der britischen Unruhen zwangsweise auch ein Element der Entschuldung beinhaltet. Denn wer die Ereignisse erklärbar macht, macht sie in gewisser Weise auch entschuldbar
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The problem only is, that the "sociologization" (explanation by sociology) of the British unrest neccessarily includes an element of apology. As someone who makes the events explainable, in some way makes them also excusable.
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Sorry, Clemens Wergin, this is complete cowcrap! Looking for explanations is a whole different thing than looking for excuses and/or raising sympathies. Not only in sociology, also in psychology or criminology. Anybody who looks for causes of criminal behaviour excuses it, because he looks for an explanation? Laughable!
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and that does not excuse the criminality seen on the streets as "social uprise of the disadvantaged", but concludes that it is laziness and comfortable self-victimization that lead to the illusion that one does not have to put own effort into trying to acchieve something in life, but that the others, that the state, thge the society is owing to oneself and thus and that one does not steal when one steals because one has a legimtimate natural right for it anyway.
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I agree with you that the rioters are ordinary criminals. BUT: how do our governments treat criminals when they have enough money? They pump billions into organizations which never gave anything back to society when they were on the winning streak. The neocon capitalism gratifies the same antisocial behaviour that the looters show: the strongest with the biggest ellbows gets the most. Learned behaviour? Of course it's not that simple. But an irate feeling is understandable when you take a look at where budget cuts happen, while on the other hands billions are thrown out of the window to save our idiotic monetary system.
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Why should anyone try to imorve his own situation and claim responsibility for his own life, if the fincial suzpport fro social wellfare is comiung in every month anyway, and just complaining and claiming to be a victim is so much easier than accepting responsibility and getting involved oneself in imporviong one'S own situation?
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Short answer: because it sucks to be poor.
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By this you imply that anybody can break the vicious circle by himself. That is wrong, however this also touches the old question how much (social) circumstances shape you. Absoluties are wrong in this case. You are neither paralyzed by them, nor can you deny an influence.
And this is something people from the middle-class do not seem to get. Not everybody gets aided by their family to thrive for knowledge. When I had a discussion with collegues about people if people choose to stay dumb, I talked about sociopathic parents who beat the crap out of their kids when they want to become something better than their loser parents. I only earned uneasy laughter, as if I was telling a strange joke.
Excuses? No, only a description.
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Self-victimization is a great way of pushing the other on the defence. And we see it being used as a tactic so very often today. Migrants refusing to integrate, do it. Muslim communities use it. Socially parasytes do it. European nations in debt use it. Intzerest grouip and social "equal rights" groups use it. They all raise claims that they are being owed something by all others, due to their state of being "victims" of circumstances and present codnitioons. And mostly, none of them shows in return the solidarity they demand from others. And usually, none of them plans to ever question and change himself.
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I ignore the (obligatory?) muslim rant and the equalization of humans with animals and give you right a second time (yay!
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People learn to exploit such behaviour, but the people who tolerate this, due to a feeling of gult or whatever, are just as guilty.
Personally, I can't stand this "You are against me, just because I am ____
" attitude. Of course prejudice and racism exists, but one has to face it and not whine about it. Using it for your advantage only makes you the same moron as the people who judge you by your appearance.