Yes they have to be out of production.
I believe I have to invest to Saitek Cyborg Evo with FF. I have read so many recommendations on this forum that it have to be good and the most important thing; I found it in a reasonable prize
. Atleast I don't have to buy a new, better stick as I eventually would have to if I had bought a cheap stick. Or I'll buy that Thrustmaster T.16000M if someone recommends it.