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Old 04-06-10, 08:55 PM   #68
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Could it be possible, the area being in a Baghdad fraught with religious division, that the armed men were simply a local escort to protect the journalists? Enemy or not, there were too few militants present in that group to justify the kill.
OK this is facepalm material here.....

Think about what you said Krashkart...

First - "could it be possible" - well sure it could. And the hijackers that flew into the twin towers COULD have just POSSIBLY been on a downtown sightseeing tour and F'ed it up by accident.... I mean - if you want to stretch possibilities.....

So what do you do in a conflict zone there Krashkart, walk up to the guys with guns and ask "Uhm, excuse me - but are you here for bad $hit or are you just here to escort that guy with a camera that looks like an RPG? Cuz I need to know so I can let the guys in the attack bird up there know whether to clean your clocks or not."? How long do ya think your gonna survive in a shooting gallery doing that? (A shooting gallery is exactly what Sadr City was during this time frame).

So what we have here is an armed group of unknown intent - along with a "reporter" with a device that is easily mistaken at distance through the equipment used - as an RPG. You have no clue what that group is up to, but given the operational area situation, its doubtful to be any good. Regardless of which militia they are part of - not a single one of em is doing anything positive - just killing each other and innocents trying to grab power. So what do you do? Oh wait - it gets better - a friendly unit is entering the area - and is close by - you going to wait till they start wasting your buddies before you do something?

If your answer is yes - hopefully you don't mind swapping roles with that other guy next time - willing to die just so your buddy can fire..... (With the shoe on the other foot its a different picture ain't it...)

Btw - even though its admitted that you couldn't identify the device as a camera or an RPG - how is the guy in the bird supposed to know the fella "setting up" what looks to be a weapon is a reporter? Is military training supposed to make him like one of the guys in "The Men who Stare at Goats" or a Jedi where he can read the man's mind and know he isn't up to no good? C'mon - you have the luxury of hindsight - knowing now what was unknowable then - yet you judge them as if they should have known - when that was impossible.

Also - how do you figure out who in a group is militant and who isn't? Again, are you saying someone should just go ask em??? If you see a group of people helping someone that you have determined - to the best of your ability - to be a militant - thats called giving aid to the enemy.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy...

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Enemy or not, there were too few militants present in that group to justify the kill.
God I hope you never run a war. In war - its kill or be killed. When you see an opening - you take it - because if you don't - that target may take you or your buddies out 10 minutes later. Using your logic - there are "too few" to justify the kill - is the same as saying a shot to old Adolph's head in 42 when he decided to go take a leak on a tree out back of wolf's lair shouldn't have been taken - because one guy isn't enough of a target for a kill.....

We may be able to figure a body count from the attack - but what you can never figure out is what the body count would have been if you had not taken the shot.
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