Originally Posted by Graf Paper

That video looks gorgeous! :rock:

I was wondering about the behavior of the ships in the 15 m/s storm conditions. The ships seemed a little too calm. Wouldn't a raging storm cause waves to break over the bows and also cause ships to "nose under" from time to time while riding the heavy seas?

Is that a necessary trade-off to make this mod or is it more to do with the wave height settings?

This video was made with my water mod video, so the waves are smaller, so you don't have that much pitch and roll. Using GWX you'll have more of that "nose under" you said.

Is that a necessary trade-off to make this mod? Well, pretty much. There's no way to fix "steady" for calm weathers and "bobbing" for heavy ones.

The good side is that, with this mod and my water mod, I've killed that "ship sinking on it's own" bug, that pissed off a lot of players around. The storm is not that perfect bizarre storm, in my water mod. It's more like a heavy weather, and that's it. Those amazing waves that turn ships into submarines for some seconds, causes more harm then good, when it comes to SH3. It's better to keep it working properly then to be 100% realistic sometimes.

One thing I think this mod will allow is to make attacking ships in a storm more successful. The current "bobbing" behavior of ships now causes a lot more misses from the ships being raised up high enough in the water by the waves so that your torpedo passes under them harmlessly, even though your torpedo is set to run at 1 meter or less. :damn:

Isn't that absurd? Do you really think that a 3.000 tons ships would pop out of the water, so a torpedo would pass below it, even if set for 1m? :nope:
Enough of that. Let's make it playable. :up:

I know some people might say to use magnetic pistols but they are highly unreliable and tend to detonate prematurely in rough seas. :nope:

So that's another reason why I think this mod will actually add to the realism in regards to torpedo attacks. :yep:

That is true. In heavy seas I didn't know what to set for depth. The ship has a 5 meter draft, so in calm waters I would set the torpedo for 5.8. But in heavy seas, if I set for 5.8, it would either pass under without detonating, or hit the curly part of the hull and ricochet. The torpedo would have to pass in the exact perfect timing to detonate, which in cases would consume 3 or 4 torpedos. It's ridiculous, just a bad joke. That's not the real stuff. Now with this, it will be better to hunt! :up:

I can hardly wait for a release of this mod, Philipp!

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

@PT.....I have to say mate, the ships look brilliant in calmer weather now. Very solid in the water, cutting through the sea rather than "riding" it. In rougher seas though they seem quite low in the water and that's why their decks are quite awash.

In theory, the ships should go from (a) cutting through the sea in calm waters to (b) side to side roll in rougher waters and finally (c) "cork-screwing" in the roughest waters. Its the energy of the sea that should make them "bob", so no bobbing in calm waters (no energy), some bobbing in medium waters and chaotic cyclic motion in roughest waters.

I'm curious, does the SH3 engine allow a sliding scale of "bobbyness" as the weather worsens ? Because if you could keep everything as it is in your video but get the ships to rise up a little in the rogher weather states then i'd say the decks will be a little less awash and you'll have solved the whole shebang.

Excellent work though, amazing really after nearly 4 years in the public eye. :rock:

Originally Posted by Tango589

Looking good so far PT! I'm looking forward to a WIP video of a torpedo being fired at the stationary tramp-steamer in the Torpedo Tutorial and not seeing the boat put the pedal to the metal and high-tail it out of there.:damn:

Originally Posted by Graf Paper

Thank you for your well thought reply, Philipp. :)

I agree that it does seem the "bobbing in a bathtub" behavior of ships has been due more to people wanting ships to be tossed about on stormy seas because that's how it looks in movies.

We are talking about a sim that is supposed to at least resemble the real world, after all.

It is a shame that SH3 will not allow a ship's mass to behave differently in the different effects of sea states, such as greater torsion and flexion in severe storms causing a ship to roll and nose under.

The buoyancy seems fine. Battleships and tankers do indeed ride very low in the water. Both types of ships are very massive and heavy.

Originally Posted by Task Force

Good mod thomson. this diserves 5 stars.:p Now ive gotta find a way to get this running with GWX.:hmm: Dont feel like downloading sh3 again.:lol: