I cannot believe how good this game is. I tend to get burned out on civ, or TW games after awhile its just the same motions over and over. Really all games are, and CK2 is no different.... BUT the story always changes, the start point might change, and the end point is ALWAYS different.

Infact attempting to recreate something you did in one game is extremely hard to do in a second game. The character interactions, are great. The stories of betrayal and secret alliances are brillant. This is by far my favorite game. Yeah there is no big movie actions scenes so you have to settle for a game of risk playing out the story board of some epic tale.

If you haven't tried it yet you must, and if you can't get into it please explain just what it is that keeps you from enjoying what is very close to being one of those games worthy of a perfect score in my book.

Well, I've had it for a couple of weeks now, but only got a chance to have a game the other night for the first time. I'm enjoying it very much but I don't even have the slightest clue what I am doing. Are their any good tutorials or guides out there? The manual is, as usual, not very great, and I'd love to get a much better handle on the economy, pressing claims and plots.

Paradoxplaza's Meneth has wrote a good in-depth guide to Crusader Kings II. However, it seems to dive a bit into mechanics and numbers 'under the hood', which I don't like as I don't want to know algorithms for everything or calculate optimal moves.

There's also a Crusader Kings II Wiki which also offers a few useful guides. I on the other hand suggest you learn only the basics to play the game and then just experiment yourself. At least for me that method has been most fun. It amazes me how unbelievable things can actually happen in the game. Should actually write those things down :hmmm:.

In paradoxplaza there are tutorial AARs and gameplay AARs as well which will most likely help to understand the game better. Not forgetting video tutorials.

Cheers for that. The wiki is quite useful.

Yeah, I've mostly been diving in and just seeing what happens. Turns out Scottish history is even more bloody than reality. I'm falling for this game, I think it's my favourite Paradox release yet. It almost - almost - makes up for Rome..:)

One question. I'm having trouble understanding changing Laws. I'm trying to change my Crown authority. When I decide to change it, it won't actually come into effect until all my Vassals agree to it? Is that right? How do I go about getting them to accept it? Just being nice to them and boosting my standing or is there something else I'm missing?

Correct. They get to vote, just like you do as a vassal. However, unlike you, the vassals almost unanimously vote yes instead of ignoring the vote. It just takes some time. I don't know if boosting relations help, or more precisely, has any effect. I mean, everytime the HRE emperor decides to say: "Hey guys, I'm going to make this empire a happy dictatorship where I can do pretty much whatever I want and you can choke on it", even the vassals who hate him seem to be all: "Yay! Tazer time!!" :doh:

Well, that was something. From a vassal count of Gotland to king of Sweden in one generation. And the best part is that I did practically nothing for it.

The king made me a duke fairly early. Then he got generous and handed me another duchy, because I had grabbed a county in its de jure area. After a few opportunistic land grabs of the counties in my duchies' de jure area I owned practically half of Sweden. One county I still wanted was owned by the king. And then he gave it to me too.

I have no idea what the AI was thinking, but I thanked my generous liege by plotting to acquire the whole kingdom for myself. When I went knocking on his door, backed up by the king of Norway and one other remaining duke of Sweden, he gave up his title without a fight.

I'm so confused that I don't even know what to do next. Probably try to avoid being swatted by Norway, to which the idiot former king of Sweden somehow managed to lose the Northern half of the kingdom. I'm a king, yet my demesne is just a little bigger than Denmark thanks to him. On the other hand, the emperor of the HRE is my ally through marriage, so that might help.

Well, I'm enjoying it - occasional irritation and my ongoing dislike of the whack-a-mole nature of Paradox's combat model aside - and I've certainly had fun with the cruel nature of the CK2 world.

My first real problem was my heir. He came to power with two traits: Imbecile and brave. Luckily this drooling lummox was only on the throne for a short time before the first crusade was called, so of he went with his brave men. Needless to say he died about 5 seconds after arriving in Outremer. I think the idiot charged an entire Islamic Deathstar on his own. His heir came to power and almost immediately triggered a huge bunch of wars that took me years to polish off. Thank the lord I seem to have got a pile of money at just the right time, it meant I could rehire another merc company and grind out a win on the battlefield. I'm not sure where the money come from. My mother (the former queen) died. Did she leave me money, by any chance? I certainly never got it from taking counties - there were so many bad guys I spent all my time trying to eliminate them with no chance to anything else.

One last thing, is the ruler designer DLC any good?

Have to share one of the funniest and gruesomest chain of events I've yet seen in Crusader Kings II.

Me and my friend were playing as finnish lords, trying to unite Finland. At one point my high chief died at an early age and my heir (age around 10 and a girl) succeeded. My chief diviner (who hated me) became a regent. A few months later my chief diviner sent me, to be high chief, to clean castle's roof from bird waste, in hope of me falling and dying. Luckily, I survived the task. A week or two later my lovely regent sent me to woods with escorts which soon vanished, leaving me alone in the woods. Miraculously I managed to find my way home. This time I refused to wait and see how my regent would eventually kill me. However, I couldn't capture the man as he controlled everything. So I asked my friend to ask my regent to depart to his court. And he departed and I sighed in relief.

A few weeks later the former regent tried to kill my friend (and when I speak of my friend, I mean his character). Again, failing. My friend imprisoned the man immediately. We both sighed in relief as we knew the old man wouldn't trouble us no more... Until that bastard managed to somehow, from the dungeons, send an assassin after my friend. Luckily the assassin failed. Outraged, my friend banished the maniac killer, which I think was too merciful considering that he tried to kill our characters twice. Have to give the man some credit though, I don't believe there are many who manage to find a way to hire an assassin while rotting in the dungeons.

So far that has been the most awesome series of events I've seen in CKII. And it all happened in multiplayer.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...sion-Announced

btw nice pair of eyes you have there Nikephoros

HunterICX

:o

The Others are here!

But as usual I will buy the DLC.

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KATAPHRAKTOI

Legacy of Rome released

Ehm.....:doh:

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/press/20...sion-announced

HunterICX

But.... Why?

They would have all died to smallpox and typhus.