Greek ship in 1939: neutral or not?
Yesterday I was in patrol in Atlantic Ocean near british coast in 1939 October 1st, and I saw a cargo traveling at nighttime with all light off.
I thought she was an enemy ship so I torpedoed her to death before I realized she was greek. According to flags table, Greece joined Allied force only in 1940, so in 1939 that ship should have been neutral but when I returned to base the patrol's log showed that no neutral ship was sank. :o How can you explain this? I'm playing SH3+GWX+Merchant Fleet Mod. |
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BTW, how did you know the ship was Greek? Was she flying a Greek ensign? Or did she just have "I'm Greek" painted on the side? Paint is cheap and easy to get.:) The MFM has lots of these ringers. IIRC, the owner painted the ship, but she flew the flag of (and counted as belonging to) the country she was leased to. So a Greek ship under British lease was British. And should be flying the Red Ensign if you could see it. |
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Thanks for replies.
I supposed that ship was Greek because of the Greek colors and the huge word "Greece" painted on the hull, I'm sure there was no ensign on the mast (nor Greek neither British). I didn't understand that MFM contains such misleading ships.... now I'm thinking about how many ships in the past I let to go because of this misunderstanding :/\\!!:/\\!!:/\\!! From now on I will show no mercy. :) |
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BTW, I was unaware that lit ships were from a mod. Never played stock.:O: |
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This is a passage from GWX Manual: Illuminated Ships Historical background Germany discussed treating well-lighted merchant ships as neutrals during its World War I unrestricted submarine warfare campaign, as belligerent merchant ships turned their lights off to avoid giving away their location, but this was only an informal convention. Neutral ships usually used red, green, and white navigation lights to reduce the danger of collisions at sea, but the masters of neutral merchant ships sailing alone during World War II would sail darkened if they felt U-boats would attack anyways. Illuminated ships in GWX Illuminated ships in GWX represent some (but not all) shipping of currently neutral countries; merchant ships from countries currently at war or allied with Germany will always sail under blackout conditions, while Red Cross hospital ships always sail under illumination. Note: Illuminated ships of neutral that leave port before their nations join the war are legitimate targets once war begins, but will remain lit until they reach port. |
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incidentally.... I can't remember any illuminated ship in nighttime since I use MFM (even if it is not so long).
Maybe it is a coincidence, but do you know if this feature is mantained in MFM? |
Yes..it is.
The lighted neutrals and Red Cross GWX ships are still there after installing MFM. I've seen quite a few, particularly in the North Sea during '39 and '40 (it's really aggravating to pursue interception of an RDF or hydrophone contact for hours, especially in bad weather, and then find those dratted nav lights and spot lights on the flag, shining brightly in the distance!).
Ah...but beware...MFM ships that have neutral hull markings but are not flying a corresponding neutral flag can, in fact, be neutrals and will cost you renown for sinking them. It's happened to me a couple of times...always a Norwegian ship crossing the North Sea heading home from Britain before April '40, (I wonder if IABL scripted them as little "Easter eggs"?) but I'd suspect there are others to challenge the "cruel" Kaleuns and reward the "chivalrous" ones! :arrgh!: |
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Then you can SINK 'EM ALL!:D |
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Just my personal foible. :sunny: |
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