SecuROM is back!
Those of you who had trouble with Sony's SecuROM telling you what legal, non-pirating, Microsoft programs you could run on your machines prior to patch 1.3: WARNING: SecuROM is back.
Other than helping SUBSIM with a tiny part of my purchase, I've just wasted my money. I resent not being warned before I spent the money. I would just have given the $10 to SUBSIM. |
Verified by a hex exam of the files.
But I haven't had any problems so far. Sonic and WinISO work fine. :hmm: |
If you use any of Microsoft's sysinternals utilities...
especially Process Explorer, Sony does not allow you to run SH4 U-Boat Missions. Mark Russinovich, author of Microsoft's Sysinternals Utilities, was the man who discovered Sony's infamous virus-like rootkit, which disabled lawful CD and DVD functions on your computer when you played a Sony music CD on your computer. He cost Sony tens of millions of dollars. Now SecuROM checks running processes for Process Explorer, at least, refusing to run SH4 unless you remove the program and reboot.
Process Explorer is a harmless, Microsoft utility to give you a slightly more useful Task Manager and is about as pirate-useful as Disk Defrag. This is only a personal battle between Sony and Russinovich and we are put in the middle, being told what legal and lawful software a game will allow us to run on our machines. I'll leave it to you to determine whether that is right. |
And your course of action is what, not install the add-on?? And miss all the improvements to the game?? Seems to me we're gonna get this securom whether it's by digital download or DVD. Although I've posted other concerns with the digital download, I played through the training missions, again, yesterday, and had thoroughly good time!!! Can't wait to start my campaign!
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It is now surplus to requirements as the game no longer requires it (following NO-CD in patch 1.3 IIRC). So the question remains, why include it within the 1.5 download in the first place.:doh: Besides, I don't think RR's problem is the fact that SecuROM is included/installed but rather that it serves no purpose, is particularly troublesome to other OS processes and is way too virulent (by design) to be accepted by genuine owners of any software,music or generally purchased content. |
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I have found a secuROM folder on my hard drive but it is empty, what gives??
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I'm sure there were other changes to the sh4.exe in 1.5 to account for it's increase in size as well. |
Is there a way to install the U-boat missions without getting SecuRom?:-? At the moment I've installed it but not launched it & my drive is clear so far, what happens if I launch SH4? Should I uninstall U-boat missions & stay with 1.4?:oops:
Not sure what I should do!:doh: |
I never had any of the SecuROM junk on my box, and installing 1.5 over 1.4 has not created any processes or problems that I can detect.
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I haven't had any cd issues that I know of. In fact, I didn't have any when I first installed the game, and patched to 1.1. |
Need more information
We really need more information before we can decide whether it is worthwhile to run the add-on. Does SecuROM just rear its ugly head on install and then leave us alone? Maybe we can ignore it then.
Does it scan your running processes list every time you start SH4UBM and refuse to let you play you if you run a program written by Microsoft's Mark Russinovich? Then we have restraint of trade and I think we have a legitimate reason to decide to regress to 1.4. And the final question: if we use danlisa's SecuROM uninstall procedure, do we lose our ability to play SH4UBM? If #1 is true, #2 is false and #3 is also true, it's a close call. If all 3 are true then its time to escalate our concerns. If only #1 is true we can just start our campaign, close this thread and start swapping war stories. The pity of the whole thing is that SecuROM is just snake oil. I'll be the first one to say that Ubi has a right to protect their copyright, so long as it does not interfere with my lawful activity. But the crackers solved SercuROM before Sony secured its first sucker I mean customer. The only people affected are honest customers who bought their software. The crooks are gleefully producing copies by the thousands and illegal downloaders are using cracked versions at will, while we pay the price. Sony's "product" damages us as it damages Ubi, who paid Sony's customary rapacious price for a product that does nothing to promote sales, nothing to hinder piracy. Why would a smart game company fall for that pig in a poke? |
Let's make things clear for everyone:
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Thank you Maerean_m!
Edited: marean_m is mistaken. SecuROM continues working after installation, no matter what Sony told the developers. Every time SH4UBM is started SecuROM scans running processes for Process Explorer and probably the other Microsoft Sysinternals utilities by Mark Russinovich. If it finds any such processes running SH4UBM stops in its tracks and displays:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...UBMmessage.jpg Note what program is displaying in the "dialog" box: SecuROM. Click the link and SecuROM spills the beans: http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...ssingmatch.jpg My recommendation is that people not purchase the U-Boat Missions Add-on until Ubi can fix this abomination. If you are not affected, think about what you do as company encouraged by the success of its disdain for customers (Sony, not Ubi. I believe Ubi and the devs were told this wasn't going to happen. At least it would have to be proved to me that they knew better before I would throw any of the blame their way) will grows more and more intrusive, financed by the money you pay for its product. Sony sold it to you without your knowledge or consent. Sorry maerean_m, that is a definition of evil in my book. It's time to say "The nonsense stops here!" I own my computer and I reserve the right to run whatever lawful software I wish to run for lawful and honorable purposes. Ubi has a right to protect its product and I believe that is all Ubi was trying to do. I believe Sony lied and in the process they destroyed Ubi's customer goodwill. I certainly will not be purchasing any more Ubi products until the Sony garbage is totally gone. Copy protection is entirely legitimate. This garbage is not. |
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Hello Mrs Securom.
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and took away the "need of the cd" for playing in a patch. It's a space sim allrite, but they got a nice community going with a lot of mods to add. Pretty much like Silent Hunter, but in space. :rotfl: |
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- Microsoft -> FSX, once activated no disk is required - Sonalyst -> Dangerous Waters - Lead Pursuit -> Falcon 4.0 AF |
A big :up: to Ubisoft for removing that requirement from SH4.
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