1MC Schematics???
 

Does anyone have or know where to find copies of schemtaics for the 1MC and alarm system? We know that we need to re-attach the wires in the main switch box (they were cut), but it would also be nice to know what circuit panels/fuse boxes that it runs through.

I really don't know if this will help or not.

You can find the primary instruction training manuals for the fleet type submarine online at maritime.org. Here is the link to NavPers 16162 Submarine Electrical Installations on that site. http://www.maritime.org/fleetsub/elect/index.htm

Or you can purchase a CD of this manual (and others) in PDF form here...http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id41.htm

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Yeah, we're familiar with that site/book. Chapter 16 is too general for what we're trying to figure out.

I know for sure that the blueprints for all the systems on the Batfish are at the Batfish museum, I recall seeing a 1mc blueprint the last time I looked through them in Nov. Just ask Rick where they are.

Cool. I'll ask him this weekend. I'm half tempted to bring my soldering gun and wire stripper with me and at least reconnect the cut wires.

Go ahead Rick wont mind as long as you ask him.

I went through the Batfish (a self-guided tour) when I was in Muskogee once (don't ask me why I was there ;) ). While in the maneuvering room, I opened up one of the bench lockers out of curiosity and was surprised to find a thick stack of blueprints for the electrical system. :o I could have easily walked off with some souveniers; fortunately, I'm an honest fellow. :yep:

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I'll mention it to Rick (museum curator). Although, you have to get past the cashier with the blue prints, someone could easily toss them over the fence into the parking lot and retrieve them on the other side. Thanks, Bill. :)

Over the summer, Rick and I went through the Maneuvering room alot, and Rick and I even tried to get down in the motor room -underneath the maneuvering room- which involves moving the bench seats, and there were no blueprints around. For now I think all the Blueprints are in the office.
But it is good that you are checking with Rick.

In the pump room under the con we were opening storage cabinets to see what was left behind and there were random pump parts, but nothing to brag about. One of the pumps was partially cannibalized, but I was surprised to see most of the equipment still intact.

How is week to week happenings handled at the Batfish? Her papers and achrives are kept were? At the Torsk, all paperwork, old photos and achrives are kept under lock and key, forward battery.

Also, all members are part of a forum set up just for the Torsk. It is for general use and also to post how many man hours were spent for the week and what was done by each. This information is collected by one person via email. This information is logged and used later on down the road when we approach the city of Baltimore when we need cash. Basically it shows a general interest in keeping up with the Torsk. We offer up the total man hours spent for the year. It is good bargaining chip for things we need.


The small hallway between manuevering and the aft engineroom there should be a hatch to get down below maneuvering. Here you can access the motors that are attached to the props and also look inside the sight glass at the brushes for the motors. It is a tight fit! Wanna have some fun, try to squeeze between the diesels and the outer hull. Watch you head!!! This is the place were you can find some old artifacts also. Great additions to her history.

I was in the pump room and lower engine room (I forget whether fore or aft). I know which hatch that you speak of and I'll have to make it a point to look around down there. We're allowed to go just about anywhere as long as we're not a detriment to ourselves or the boat.

Our battery compartments have some stuff stored in them, but I was surprised at how big they are. I think you could hold an arena football game in there. :)

As for logging hours, Rick is working out those bugs. We're starting to keep track of how much money we raise for her restoration. They cut down a bunch of brush and trees around the memorial property so that she is a lot more visible to the highway traffic nearby. We're hoping that it attracts more attention and revenue this way.

As far as regular maintenace goes, I think it's only a few people that work on her on a regular basis. My hopeful attempt at restoring the 1MC system will be my first real maintenance activity. The question in my mind is how old is the equipment? She was decommissioned in 1969 and as much as I like original equipment, solid state electronics are a lot easier to work on/with. I'm guessing that it will be a 1950's or 60's box. The biggest concern is what condition the capacitors are in. Old capaictors tend to dry rot and crumble. This would require removing the circuit boards and soldering on new capacitors. The other trick is figuring out where the 1MC gets its power from and re-energizing those circuits. Do you know if it runs through the huge circuit breaker panel in the con near the helm or does it go to a small fuse box?

I will not be much help with the electrical things. I do not get into this area much. We have a few Electrican Mates aboard who do these things. I stay out of their way. I'm always afraid to touch these things and watch them fry. I can always inquire for you about it if you like. Give me a list of specific questions about the piece you are working on and it will inquire.

I should have mentioned, my story was from more than 10-years ago, and I did mention my find to the cashier. I'm not surprised that they would have been moved since then.

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Rick thinks that everything has been moved to a storage room, but he will double check and he appreciates the heads up.

I got the green light to solder or wire nut the wires this Saturday - it probably runs on 110 volts and may be 16 gauge wire if the wires that they cut were actually in a junction box, as opposed to the actual 1MC box. I'll take my digital camera and take a few photos so that it will be easier to explain.

No problem!!! When you have pics PM me and I will forward my email address to you. Send them there and I will print and bring aboard for the guys on the Torsk to look over. I will do my best to get you the answers you need on your questions. The only thing I can think to tell you, be careful of the voltage these submarines run on. I was talking with Gil about the TDC on the Torsk and asked if it functions. He started talking about 60 cycles and 400 cycles, some reostat, yadda yadda yadda...my head hurt. :doh:
If I'm not mistaken a lot of the things function on DC (direct current). I was told that some things on the Torsk were converted to AC/DC such as fans to circulate the air, etc. Check and re-check before you power up. FIRE is a four letter word!!!! :o

If we have the electrical schematics for the system, it should show us the voltage for that particular box.

I wouldn't be surprised if something unique like the TDC ran on some funky voltage/current setup.

Generators
 

I found this in the electrical chapter of the 1946 Fleet Boat manual:

Other devices like heaters, coffee pots, the stove, etc. run on 240 or 250 Volts. I'll have to look in the communications and alarms chapter to see if it mentions the voltage for that system.

After all the technical jargon I was lost on the TDC issue. All I wanted to know is if it worked. I basically surmised it needs a few parts to connect the scope and TBT to it. It has not been powered up for some time. The con is a serious work in progress and something that is done during winter. Summer time you just bake like a potato in there. Visitors are not allowed in the con. It is just to hazardous really. I bump my head or crack an elbow everytime I go up to use the scope to spot some of the chicks walking in the inner harbor:p Magnification is such a wonderful thing;)