My statement on the the “X1 Seewolfe Expansion”

[Onkel Neal]

Over the weekend, and through this week, a flood of players notified me personally by e-mail, PM, and phone concerning suspicions about the content and intellectual ownership of the “X1 Seewolfe Expansion”. Prior to this point, I understood this project to be an original work in the model of Pacific Aces, SCX, or Projekt Messerwetzer; that is, a group of modders and artists creating a make-over/enhancement for a popular game. I heartily support such efforts as long as they do not negatively affect future work by the parent company (Ubisoft) to continue further work on the host game, and as long as the work is legitimate.

I do know that Steffen Trombke of X1 contacted the Silent Hunter III dev team several times during SH3 development in order to develop an add-on. It was refused. Later he contacted Ubisoft again, proposing an add-on in the Pacific. The add-on was sent to the dev team for an evaluation and was rejected firmly. For poor quality but mainly for the redundant material they proposed, covered already by free mods or patches.

I cannot say how much original content the “Seewolfe” expansion will have until it is released. According to their website, the main thrust appears to be more ports. Everything else in their feature list is an existing mod or an existing feature of the game.

new campaign script, new missions,
new sounds and graphics
fixes to DD hydrophones
roughly sixty new cities, including ports and industry naval and airbase locations in Europe, North America, Britain and the Pacific region
new objects including ships, search lights, bunkers, minefields and air defenses
enhancements to sub interior and exterior
stationary ships in harbors and harbor patrols
historical activity such as Dunkirk, Dieppe and D-Day
new radio messages
optional installations like navmap aids, fatigue mod ….
I have nothing against someone selling a great new realm of playable material to go with an existing game. I’ve bought several myself, the most recent the Full Canvas Jacket superpatch for Red Baron 3D. But it should contain significant content and it should be ethically secure. After getting messages from you and seeing the "Boycott X1" signatures, I decided to do some investigating. After considerable checking, after two dozen PMs to well-known modders and a phone conversation with another prominent player, the consensus is, as one modder told me, X1 “stated they had asked and obtained permission from everyone involved, which now was never the case.”

It’s a simple matter for one to put on an innocent face and declare he had no intention of stealing modders’ work, when in reality he had the intention and was well on the way to getting away with whatever he could, thinking either no one would notice or getting credit on a readme was sufficient to take it. Now it appears X1 is contacting each modder with a “heartfelt” apology and requesting “to use the mod in return for a free copy of the add-on”. A case of asking forgiveness instead of seeking permission. Fortunately, the majority of the community has the good sense and fair play to call it what it is. Deceptive, dishonest, and a scam.

From my conversations with the modders, “Reg McNeal” was very actively soliciting permission and on occasion, suggesting that he had “made some changes to the mod so now it was his own work.“ He also said he wanted to use the full version of some mods when the owner said he could use their lite version.

We also witnessed a rather bizarre display by OSSI in the forum. I PMed OSSI to let him know that links to topless women are not allowed on this forum and ask him his connection to Steffen and X1.

Hey mate,

what's your connection with the Seewolf mod? I missed the porn bonanza you posted, one of the moderators or you must have edited it. Please don't do anything like that again, you would lose your posting privledges.

Neal Stevens
Subsim Review


He replied:

Seawolves is coming. You have to know that X1 is only the publisher and has nothing to do with any development of the add-on. The add-on create 3 modders there give mods free for download first and now they change some and fix bugs to take it in the stores. So modders get the credit for their work. The idea was also to offer some better mods from others in the add-on. The test version + readme was on X1 Server. All looks so good X1 makes it official.. in the new version we have the permission. Some modders say no others say yes. Permissions include:

Soundmod by Incognito Soundworks, with further mods by Northern Digital
Contact Mod by Fletcher
Hi-res subs by Sean Gilleran
U-boat Interior by Ship Hunter
DD Fix by Jungman
Radiolog by Irishred, further mods by CombatPlanes
Resupply by SANSAL

This will be the final I think.

The problem is that some download a old test version of seawolves. with old readmes e.t.c. this why modders are mad where there found his name in the readme or not. But it was not my debt. I give nobody that downloadlink from the X1 public server. It is a open server ok but not so many have that link first.

Anyway that server is down now because some data got that Trojan.Abwiz.D and the best is that two players send me that info after they download that test version.

I was not at home or in office this weekend, but my sister’s son was on my PC and write some with my Username "OSSI" in here and talk to that terrapin guy. After I am back he told me and I delete his posts e.t.c. He is 14 and he will be a good businessman. I am not mad at him, he just wanted to help.

I think after release it will be cleared up for some users here and the show is over. I mean should I say sorry that people download a test version? Not a test version you can buy in stores and they think we released a version with stolen mods?

Sorry to the community for mistakes!

Steffen Trombke
www.x1software.com

So... maybe I have it wrong, maybe all these mods on his server were there for reference? Well, that's hard to say but by his own declaration this guy has files for his add-on with trojans and viruses in them. And please don’t laugh at me if I say I don’t believe the “my nephew did it” excuse. Yeah, he'll make a "good businessman"....

The internet publishing and mod world depends on the honor system. When a dispute arises and the honor system breaks down—or is intentionally breeched—the situation degenerates and can cast a pall over future community work and goodwill. My biggest concern is the precedent this could set and the impact on the fantastic mod work that has grown up around Silent Hunter III. Between the absurd forum behavior and lies, filching mods and asking afterwards, and narrow-minded view of what constitutes a add-on, I cannot help but condemn the entire venture. It looks like a scam, it smells like a scam, and the track record and actions of the author lead me to believe it is a scam. I’ll send a letter of protest to Matrix Games and suggest that their reputation is worth more than a embezzled add-on. Sure, they may sell copies in Wal-Mart, where unsuspecting customers will be won over by a fancy box. But what are they buying? Someone else's work.

Neal Stevens
Subsim Review
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[Kresge]

As always, well said Neal.
:up:

[McBeck]

Good man.

This will hopefully restore peace in the mod galaxy.

As allway I have nothing but respect for original modders.

[Mr.Werner]

Such drama! This is better then a soap opera...can't wait to see what's next!

[Detritus]

Yeah, good job Neal for digging into this. Maybe things'll calm down a little bit. What I found most interesting about all of this is that first SH3 devs and then Ubisoft give a firm thumbs-down for the whole project :P Makes you wonder about the quality of Seawolves, , especially since Matrix has been releasing add-ons for Il-2, another Ubi title. Then again, now they claim they've got the rights to publish it after all :hmm: Confusing. Hope they sink like a ton of whalesh... err, bricks.

[Catfish]

Hello,
a balanced statement based on facts, well done Neal.

It seems as if those three persons are in fact one.
This "X1" company already sold add-ons for other games, however those included mostly campaigns added to existing ones. What else is strange is the connection to the people at "Combatplanes" who at least made the pacific mod themselves, even if sales were stopped.

I would really support and buy a genuine SH3 add-on, but apart from being not their/his own work they/he made themselves/himself a complete fool with the posts here at Subsim.com, and over at the SH3 forum. If he has a problem with people of jewish belief playing a german simulator ... this was probably the most idiotic statement i ever heard.

Greetings,
Catfish

[The Avon Lady]

Ossi said "The problem is that some download a old test version of seawolves. with old readmes e.t.c."

Just for the record, the SW archive contents were dated July 19, 2005.

[terrapin]

Neal: Very good statement! Thank you very much!

[Catfish]

Hello Terrapin,
you know what happens to people that misspell HIS name ;)
In the b.noididntsayit :lol:
Greetings,
Catfish

[terrapin]

Hello Terrapin,
you know what happens to people that misspell HIS name ;)
In the b.noididntsayit :lol:
Greetings,
Catfish

LOL...sorry...fixed...it's early morning here and I hadn't much sleep in this 'vacation' week in St. Louis...In a few hours we're flying back home. One is for sure: On the ramaining short trips these summer I'll leave the WLAN receivers at home... :)

[Nico71]

And please don’t laugh at me if I say I don’t believe the “my nephew did it” excuse. Yeah, he'll make a "good businessman"....

You're right, it's a just another lie! Trombke emailed and PM'ed me that weekend!

[FesterShinetop]

A clear statement containing facts! Thanks for putting this up Neal :up: So I understand Ossi/Trombke still has posting privileges on this forum? Wonder if we ever hear from him (or his "nephew"... :roll: ) again :smug:

Enter the boycot sig :D :

[Detritus]

OK, the way I see this situation now- you're comments, please:
XI definitely pulled an ugly trick, make no mistake. I never heard of anything like this. But, we still are left in the sadows concerning Seawolves. So, SH3 devs & Ubi turned down but apparently nevertheless, as copyright owners, greenlighted it's release. Now Ubi is 'considering' to release their add-on, even though everyone thought it was supposed to be under development. Not accepting XI's offer at first place makes reason if Ubi is planning to release their add-on. But why suddenly approve SW after all? XI can release SW with or without the mods but as copyright owners Ubi in fact has the ball. They can pull the plug or OK XI's product. So, maybe instead of bombarding XI (which they wholeheartedly deserve) we should turn our eyes on Ubi and demand answers. What's going on? How did it turn into this? What's happening next? If they know anything about small thing called public relations they should come out with definive answers and rather quickly, too. Not all publicity is good publicity.
Sorry if I've missed some facts explaining the whole situation. I made up my mind long ago not to buy SW and haven't really been keeping track on things lately.

[Shadow9216]

I posted this earlier:
From Matrixgames own forum:
Quote:
Since we have published previous X1 titles, we were indeed discussing this one as well. We are aware of these allegations and have been checking into them. We are verifying that everything contained in the SH3 expansion has written permission from the respective modders for its inclusion. It will have to be 100% in that respect for us to publish it.

Regards,

- Erik

_____________________________

Erik Rutins
Director of Product Development and Business Relations


And here's what one of the posters there had to say:
Quote:
No need to look for proof.
Lol, those guys where even dumb enough to leave the orignal readmes in.

Sansai's Milk cow mod is in there
Serg's multiple DD skins and type 7 DD and additional merchant's
Beery's Flotilla mod.
JuJu's mil mods.
Nico71 mods.
Observer's mod.
Iambecomelife's smoke mod.

< Message edited by Grouchy -- 7/26/2005 4:08:51 PM >

It looks like Matrix is taking an active interest in this. Hopefully they'll come to the same conclusion. Now if we could determine the stores which will most likely carry this add-on, we could move forward.

Unless UBI gets an injunction against X1, it is unlikely they'll be stopped by us- sad, but going by X1's own position they never intended the online community as the sales target. They'll ship the product, collect the advance, and disappear. Filing suit after the fact may prove to be too little, too late as the perpatrators will be hard to trace, let alone serve with summons.

People have questioned the intelligence of X1 for their actions. I think they're quite intelligent, and most likely have thought out many of their actions. They are also reacting to our actions.

After attempts to bluff failed, they tried to legitimize their work. When that failed they've resorted to modification of mods in an attempt to distance their product from the original. When/if this fails, they'll try something else.

In the meantime they'll get closer to their launch date, and then they'll rush it out the door and collect their cash. What recourse will we have then? By the time anyone brings a case to court (and who has the resources to do that?), they'll have vanished, or at the very least they'll have their profits to fight the battle. I think they're gambling against anyone actually suing them.

The boycott is a step in the right direction, but to be effective we need to expand it. We must attack the publishers and distributors and any store which plans to sell this. We should get the media involved, and invite the CEOs/PR managers of the companies to discuss their position. I've done this before, and it's an effective tactic- most businesses prefer not to end up on camera, period. They'll usually work off-camera to resolve any disputes- almost every US news channel has an "On your side" segment or something like that, and in the UK they have "Watchdog".

We don't need to be threatening or abusive; the sheer numbers of complaints about X1's practices, along with questions about a company's position regarding such practices and their intentions in this matter should give most of these fellows a pause for thought.

X1 thinks they can dismiss the online community, without realizing the 20% online is 100% around the world, and able to reach anywhere and everywhere. If we are serious about stopping X1, and preventing another one from springing up in its stead, we need to expand our circle of influence.

Ultimately, however, UBI needs to issue a statement for or against X1. They could stop the release with the stroke of a pen, or call of our dogs the same way. If they heartily endorse X1, they should say so and ask us to back off. If they oppose its release, again, they should let it be known clearly.

Abraham the Lawgiver ;) would know better than I, but there may be a balancing act in play with UBI- they can't completely stop X1 from offering a mod, when they allow everyone else to offer mods unrestricted. Granted, ours are free, but there's still a precedent of people offering derivative works based on a copyrighted product; to blanket state any intellectual property must be offered for free could perhaps be construed as restraint of trade, especially if X1 HAS included original work...in fact, that may be more of the reason they seek to alter the pirated works; if 100% of the content can be shown to be X1's, even if based on other works, it represents a unique intellectual property. That has the side benefit of silencing this community's protests of piracy.

[SteamWake]

I have already contacted several members of the popular media bringing this matter to their attention.

Although I have not recieved any direct responses yet I feel confident that they will be all over this. They love a good drama after all.

But even if it gets published 1.) It wll be too late and 2.) It will be a small audiance. Maybe at least it will bring Silent Hunter III to the eyes of some who do not know it exists and they will run out and buy a copy.

Then again its possile that X1 will buy some advertising space in the magazine(s) and webazines which will snuff out the story like a wet candle. Thats just the nature of the beast. Very few popular media outlets act "fair and unbiased".

Be on notice X1 the matter HAS been brought to the popular media's attention.

Regards

[Nopileo]

Well I doubt CNN will run this as a headline, but I liked this point:

But even if it gets published 1.) It wll be too late and 2.) It will be a small audiance. Maybe at least it will bring Silent Hunter III to the eyes of some who do not know it exists and they will run out and buy a copy.

All this fuzz may just be in favour of Ubisoft - and increase our chances of seeing SH4 and/or a REAL SH3 add-on.

[SteamWake]

Well the NY times refused my call :P

I guess I should have said "Popular Gaming Media".

[Konovalov]

Excellent and revealing comments Neal. :yep: :yep:

[DedEye]

Thank you for your opinion and insight Neal,

Much appreciated.

[Jungman]

Neal

I do not understand what is going on here. I am new at modding. That guy for X1 ask me if he could use my mod. I thought it would be OK since I thought Iwas HELPING the Silent hunter III francise in order to creat more business for UbiSoft so we can see a real good sequal.

My intention was never to support a company that is blantantly ripping off other people's hard work without permission.

Now since I am on that BLACK LIST in the post, no one is talking to me anymore. :nope:

I was only trying to help the greater good, and now everyone hates me? I am not part of X1 or anything. This is a hobby for me.

Steve, can you speak out on why I should get the cold shoulder from people here since I did make a couple of decent mods and some discoveries. Now no one seems to want me around.

This creates a rift and feeling of ill will. I was only trying to help Silent Hunter III and the average person who may buy the game and get some decent fixes to the game and enjoy it more.

I never wanted people to hate me, I am not associated with X1. I am just a newbie Modder trying to make a good game better and spread the good word. :( and have fun talking to people.

Now I feel get the 'silent treatment'. Do you guys hate me because I fell for the scam? I thought I was doing right - you know like donating money to 'Feed the Children'.

Todays my birthday, July 29 1965 the big 40. Yeh, I feel really happy... :cry:

[CCIP]

Don't worry about it, Jungman! I think you're slightly exaggarating. I don't think there's any problem with giving permission to use your mods. I probably would've, too, under the initial circumstances.

I would be very upset if any of this was suddenly turned around against any of the modders here, whether they gave permission or vocally protested against X1. Whether you're Jugman who gave permission, or Jason who found Len's dirty laundry, you're also Jungman who hugely improved the game by adjusting the sonar, or Jason who did it by revising the convoys.

There's no reason to 'blacklist' anyone who did not go into this scenario with any ulterior motives. :hmm:

[terrapin]

Neal

I do not understand what is going on here. I am new at modding. That guy for X1 ask me if he could use my mod. I thought it would be OK since I thought Iwas HELPING the Silent hunter III francise in order to creat more business for UbiSoft so we can see a real good sequal.

My intention was never to support a company that is blantantly ripping off other people's hard work without permission.

Now since I am on that BLACK LIST in the post, no one is talking to me anymore. :nope:

I was only trying to help the greater good, and now everyone hates me? I am not part of X1 or anything. This is a hobby for me.

Steve, can you speak out on why I should get the cold shoulder from people here since I did make a couple of decent mods and some discoveries. Now no one seems to want me around.

This creates a rift and feeling of ill will. I was only trying to help Silent Hunter III and the average person who may buy the game and get some decent fixes to the game and enjoy it more.

I never wanted people to hate me, I am not associated with X1. I am just a newbie Modder trying to make a good game better and spread the good word. :( and have fun talking to people.

Now I feel get the 'silent treatment'. Do you guys hate me because I fell for the scam? I thought I was doing right - you know like donating money to 'Feed the Children'.

Todays my birthday, July 29 1965 the big 40. Yeh, I feel really happy... :cry:

Happy birthday and welcome in the club (I was *01/04/65) :)

I don't hate you (or anyone other who agreed to hand over their work to X1), nor do I feel to stop communication with a n y modder in this or 'my' various flightsim communities!

I think I can speak on behalf of most modders inhere stating that we have a problem with X1 including mods without proper permission, NOT with anyone giving them permission!

I'll gladly host any of your future mods! Now, please, celebrate your birthday, drink that virtual beer (or better a glass of champaign) I just handed over - and have fun. You won't become younger! :D

[Stymnus]

Ouch.

Jungman, I think you may have a point here. A new modder isn't going to realize the significance of what he's being asked to do is going to have on the community and the people who have been doing this for longer. They're not going to realize that they are making a stand for what they only thought was right.

I'd be curious to know WHEN you were asked if your mod could be included...if it only was after so many here had started their talk of boycott.

Guys, I know I'm new around here and pretty much unknown but I have been around other forums enough to know that Jungman's in a scrape here.

There are probably people out there that will never forgive him. But can't his sincerity be tested somehow?

Jungman, do you have a way to pull out of the X1 project? They sound like real scum, and did NOT have the community's interests at heart, only their own purse strings...

[jasonb885]

Neal

...
Now since I am on that BLACK LIST in the post, no one is talking to me anymore. :nope:


You're still cool with me dude. I think all the modders that allowed their mods to be included were as duped as the rest of us.

I appreciate your efforts and everyone else's to make this game better. Even those who are okay with X1 including their mods in SeaWolves.

:up:

[Duncan Idaho]

Do you guys hate me because I fell for the scam? I thought I was doing right - you know like donating money to 'Feed the Children'.

Todays my birthday, July 29 1965 the big 40. Yeh, I feel really happy... :cry:

You know I love you man. You've been doing great work with the sensorpak mods, and your looking into XXI things is a boon.

btw, happy birthday, I just hit 43 June 29th. How's it feel being 'over the hill'? ;)

[John Channing]

No one is mad at you. Quite the contrary... you are one of the people who uses their time and talent to kep our hobby alive. You deserve our thanks and support.

So thanks, and Happy Birthday.

If it is any consolation mine was Wednesday and I spent it deleting a bunch of out of line posts. And as far as turning 40 goes you have a way to go to catch up to me!

JCC

[Juju]

From Matrixgames own forum:
Quote:

Sansai's Milk cow mod is in there
Serg's multiple DD skins and type 7 DD and additional merchant's
Beery's Flotilla mod.
JuJu's mil mods.
Nico71 mods.
Observer's mod.
Iambecomelife's smoke mod.

< Message edited by Grouchy -- 7/26/2005 4:08:51 PM >

Whoa there! Can anyone confirm any of my *MilitaryMod* mods are in there??

[Hawkers]

Happy Birthday, Jungmann! :)

Don't let this business get you down, mate! I use your DC mod and I, like others here appreciate your work.

You weren't the only modder to be duped by those X1 scammers, and it cuts no ice with me - you are ok in my book, man! :up:

Keep up the good work!

Hawkers :up:

[slow_n_ez]

Hey.. Happy Birthday Jungmann :sunny: .....
Over the hill as Duncan Idaho says.... But also it is said " Life Begins at 40 " ...

but when you hit 50 its "falling down the hill " :lol:

Hope you had a good one reguarless of the virtual stuff going on ..

edit: at least you don't have wear this dorky hat I have on in my avatar :cry:

[Beery]

I have nothing against someone selling a great new realm of playable material to go with an existing game. I’ve bought several myself, the most recent the Full Canvas Jacket superpatch for Red Baron 3D.

Hmm. Interesting you should mention that. I'll bet you didn't know that the makers of Full Canvas Jacket were accused of the exact same thing that X1 is now being accused of. We in the Red Baron 3D community were fairly sure they ripped off a lot of the scenery tiles from another commercial flight sim.

The makers of Full Canvas Jacket seemed to get away with it scot free. I just hope the same doesn't turn out to be the case with Seawolves.

I guess what I'm saying is that this type of dishonourable activity may be a lot more common than people think.

[irishred]

I have nothing against someone selling a great new realm of playable material to go with an existing game. I’ve bought several myself, the most recent the Full Canvas Jacket superpatch for Red Baron 3D.

Hmm. Interesting you should mention that. I'll bet you didn't know that the makers of Full Canvas Jacket were accused of the exact same thing that X1 is now being accused of. We in the Red Baron 3D community were fairly sure they ripped off a lot of the scenery tiles from another commercial flight sim.

The makers of Full Canvas Jacket seemed to get away with it scot free. I just hope the same doesn't turn out to be the case with Seawolves.

I guess what I'm saying is that this type of dishonourable activity may be a lot more common than people think.

Really? I paid $28 for that!!! I used to use your superpatch until the website I downloaded it from removed the link.

[Beery]

Really? I paid $28 for that!!! I used to use your superpatch until the website I downloaded it from removed the link.

If the rumours are true, at least they weren't ripping off mod-makers.

As for the Superpatch, it's still available at my website (www.beerymod.com), although I'm not sure how well the game works on today's machines. It's virtually a retro game by today's standards - you need an old computer to play it best.

[irishred]

Really? I paid $28 for that!!! I used to use your superpatch until the website I downloaded it from removed the link.

If the rumours are true, at least they weren't ripping off mod-makers.

As for the Superpatch, it's still available at my website (www.beerymod.com), although I'm not sure how well the game works on today's machines. It's virtually a retro game by today's standards - you need an old computer to play it best.

That's great because I don't know where my FCJ CD is anymore! :up:

[NZ_Wanderer]

Now I feel get the 'silent treatment'. Do you guys hate me because I fell for the scam? I thought I was doing right - you know like donating money to 'Feed the Children'.
Todays my birthday, July 29 1965 the big 40. Yeh, I feel really happy... :cry:

Happy belated Birthday Jungman, and rest assured I think you will find that no-one around here hates you at all... :up: :up:
You and your mods are TRUELY appreciated and very much welcome on my computer at any time... :)

[Elder-Pirate]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jungman


And may you have many more. :up: :up:


But you have a Loooooong way to go to catch me. :rotfl: Like say 29 years.

Have a good one and keep up the good work. :rock: :up:

[Beery]

Happy Birthday! :D

[iambecomelife]

I have nothing against someone selling a great new realm of playable material to go with an existing game. I’ve bought several myself, the most recent the Full Canvas Jacket superpatch for Red Baron 3D.

Hmm. Interesting you should mention that. I'll bet you didn't know that the makers of Full Canvas Jacket were accused of the exact same thing that X1 is now being accused of. We in the Red Baron 3D community were fairly sure they ripped off a lot of the scenery tiles from another commercial flight sim.

The makers of Full Canvas Jacket seemed to get away with it scot free. I just hope the same doesn't turn out to be the case with Seawolves.

I guess what I'm saying is that this type of dishonourable activity may be a lot more common than people think.

Wow ... I'm a user of FCJ and a longtime lurker from the various RB3d forums; I never knew FCJ was so controversial. I thought that it was mainly the creator's work, unlike this here seewolves thing ... I don't know enough about the Red Baron scene to judge him one way or the other but I guess it's too bad that the big modmakers for that game had a falling out - all the more so given that there's no new WWI aviation sim in sight these days :nope: .

[Abraham]

A little bit late...
but "happy birthday" to Jungman and "well said" to Neal!
:D

[HEMISENT]

Happy Birthday Jungman :up: :up: :up:
I appreciate your hard work as do a whole bunch of others here, put it behind you and have a great weekend

Kudos to Neal on the response to X1.

Wish I could get Red Baron to play right on XP. Looks like a fantastic game from everything I read but I could never get the graphics to appear correctly even with the xp patch(forgot the correct name)so I shelved it.

[terrapin]

From Matrixgames own forum:
Quote:

Sansai's Milk cow mod is in there
Serg's multiple DD skins and type 7 DD and additional merchant's
Beery's Flotilla mod.
JuJu's mil mods.
Nico71 mods.
Observer's mod.
Iambecomelife's smoke mod.

< Message edited by Grouchy -- 7/26/2005 4:08:51 PM >

Whoa there! Can anyone confirm any of my *MilitaryMod* mods are in there??


As you know your skins weren't included in the 'open' build. IF they are in now, they MUST have been added AFTER 07/26...still WITHOUT your permission, right?

I'd go to the matrixgames forums, ask politely and file a loud complaint if the skins should be indeed in.

[Nico71]

Forget Matrixgames! They have made their stance perfectly clear!

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=910065

[Onkel Neal]

Happy birthday, Jungman. Sorry if you had the impression that my statement seemed directed at anyone who assisted X1. It was not my intention.

Beery, I had no idea Full Canvas Jacket had any suspicions around it. I suppose that even further emphasizes the importance of the community getting the word out.

Matrix Games is in the business of furnishing original and noteworthy games and content for games. I support them 100% for publishing second tier and specialty games and add-ons, nothing wrong with business. As I said, after investigating "Seewolfe" it's hard to conclude it contains much original content. One thing I'm certain about, X1 are sloppy and unethical. What do you say about a guy who brags about infected files on his server and uses the old "my nephew did it" trick?

I cannot see Matrix Games standing behind a box of free mods and trying to make money of off it. Year in and yearout, neither X1 nor Matrix has much to do with subsim games. Seems crass to poach off your work and make a buck.

[Juju]

From Matrixgames own forum:
Quote:

Sansai's Milk cow mod is in there
Serg's multiple DD skins and type 7 DD and additional merchant's
Beery's Flotilla mod.
JuJu's mil mods.
Nico71 mods.
Observer's mod.
Iambecomelife's smoke mod.

< Message edited by Grouchy -- 7/26/2005 4:08:51 PM >

Whoa there! Can anyone confirm any of my *MilitaryMod* mods are in there??


As you know your skins weren't included in the 'open' build. IF they are in now, they MUST have been added AFTER 07/26...still WITHOUT your permission, right?

I'd go to the matrixgames forums, ask politely and file a loud complaint if the skins should be indeed in.

Went there tonight, but the thread was already locked. Pm'ed the poster but haven't got a reply yet.
And yes, IF they are included it's without permission.

[JBClark]

Jungman,

Happy birthday, nipper. :up: I was worried about turning 40 but it was easy. Now 43, that was a real bear :dead:. New young girlfriend :D:, new creaking sounds coming from my body when I moved :o:, vastly decreased levels of tolerance for fools :hulk:, general increase in curmudgen index :nope:, etc. Now I'm pushing 50 :doh: and remember 40 almost as my youth. My advice: take every opportunity to enjoy yourself while you can :-j, its all downhill from here :rock:. And when you feel that mid-life crisis coming on, get a corvette :yep:. I cannot advise the new young girlfriend route :damn:, that didn't work out so well for me :rotfl:.

I have been using your work since I found this forum and discovered that SHIII could be improved. I never realized this sort of thing was possible or that there were so many talented folks working on it. And giving their work away for the enjoyment of others. Many times I have been moved to post a "thanks all you modders" message and you are definately one of the intended recipients. Really, thanks. I appreciate your work.

Let's keep this community together.

JBC

[retired1212]

Happy birthday Jungman. :) :up:

If you are reading the responses, please post your reply. I would like to know that how you are feeling now after the responses. Nobody is cold towards ya buddy.

[Nopileo]

Justed wanted to say that I have never gotten the impression anywhere that Jungman or any other modders are 'frozen out'.

All hail the modders! My deepest respect to you all.

And happy belated birthday, Jungman. I still have 5 years to go... :ping:

Regards,

Nopileo

[Drebbel]

Happy birthday Jungman. :) :up:

If you are reading the responses, please post your reply. I would like to know that how you are feeling now after the responses. Nobody is cold towards ya buddy.

Indeed ! Jungman is OK !!

:/\chop


:rotfl:

[R48]

Happy birthday, Jungman!

Thanks for all the mod work you do. You are one of the ones that make SH3 more enjoyable to many.

[redstorm101]

Happy Birthday, Jungman!.......... :|\

[Jungman]

Thanks for the response. I am glad people are OK with me. :up:

It would seem alot of people do like me then. The thing with X1 is a hard lesson learned. I thought people may have been upset seeing my name in the readme.

It's been awhile ago, did not think much of until I saw the X1 thread and read it.

Again, thanks for your friendship. :) I needed to know where I stand in the community.

[gAiNiAc]

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Hello Martin,

nobody stealling any mode for Seawolves release version! Seawolves create by 3 modders and I am the publisher for this product. Also there inside some of the best mods from modders with there permissions!
That we publish a game where you also can download some mods for free also is not new. Counter Strike or Operation Barbarossa and mutch other was the same. We here target that people there have no internet or there are not PC freaks to can search and install mods by it self and there a lot outside. Seawolves is not target there search for all mods test them all the days.
How you come to your statment? This is not tru. Why you dont let the modders make a little bit money for there work? Is this not fair?

Greetings
Steffen Trombke
www.x1software.com

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Subject: Seawolves


Steffen,

Why are you stealing and selling freeware mods?

Every "mod" in your "SEAWOLVES" package for Silent Hunter 3 has been independently developed and made available for free by independent people not employed by you.

Again, why are you stealing like this? You realize that a class action suit will be brought against your company don't you?

Curious,

Martin

[U-1974]

Why you dont let the modders make a little bit money for there work? Is this not fair?
Yeah, Steffan, why dont you lecture about that and fairness??

If some of the makers of those mods actually had gotten contacted, sure thing..
If you'd been honest and not tried to hide behind lame identities posting porn, yeah why not..

Since you havent.. I say time to get medieval on this publisher's lying, thieving, sorry @ss.

Oh, and Jungman - wouldnt dream of thinking badly of you, the modders themselfs. I hope you all at least will get your cut of the sales if this travesty of a product ever gets published :rotfl:

[martes86]

So... this thing is still alive?

[Faamecanic]

Don't worry about it, Jungman! I think you're slightly exaggarating. I don't think there's any problem with giving permission to use your mods. I probably would've, too, under the initial circumstances.

I would be very upset if any of this was suddenly turned around against any of the modders here, whether they gave permission or vocally protested against X1. Whether you're Jugman who gave permission, or Jason who found Len's dirty laundry, you're also Jungman who hugely improved the game by adjusting the sonar, or Jason who did it by revising the convoys.

There's no reason to 'blacklist' anyone who did not go into this scenario with any ulterior motives. :hmm:

HEAR HEAR... Jungman... I see nothing wrong. I still appreciate what you have done so far... and dont give up!!! You have great promise as a new modder! :up:

Oh and a belated Happy Birthday :-j

[XabbaRus]

Wow Matrix games closing the thread.

All they have is X1's word for it that they were undertaking discussions.

Seems Matrix are ignoring everything brought up on various forums.

Anyway I didn't think that beta version was illegally downloaded if there was a link on the front page pointing to it...

What the hell, I think from the balance of evidence X1 are in the wrong and Matrix should think carefully from an ethical POV.