07-12-2005, 09:46 AM
I've been wondering for a while now, is the Bismarck in the mod? Say, maybe in 1939, 40, and possibly early part of 41? Also, could a Bismarck class be placed historically around the right ports to represent Tirpitz? It's really cool to see a Hipper sailing or docked in port, but would be awesome to catch a glimpse of a Bismarck class. :cool:
07-12-2005, 11:07 AM
Do you know where/when the Bismarck was in ports?
If you know/post this information I will add it to Harbour Traffic.
In this days I'm working in uboat Traffic with Sergei's AI ubots.
07-12-2005, 12:09 PM
Ok. I went to this site for Bismarck:
Here are the times for Bismarck. Also, can you add the Hipper to be near Bismarck when the Prinz Eugen (Hipper class) was with her?
14 February 1939 - Bismarck was launched (Hamburg). Christened by Dorothea von Loewenfeld, granddaughter of the German chancellor Otto von Bismarck.
Middle of April 1940 - The first members of the crew came aboard Bismarck.
15 September 1940 - Bismarck left Hamburg for the first time and sailed towards the Baltic to conduct trials.
16 - 17 September 1940 - Bismarck passed through the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal (channel).
17 September 1940 - Bismarck arrived at Scheerhafen (Kiel).
28 September 1940 - Bismarck left Scheerhafen (Kiel) and, under the escort of Sperrbrecher 13, headed for Arkona (on the island of Rügen). Later that day Bismarck arrived, unescorted, at Gotenhafen (Gdynia).
7 - 8 December 1940 - Bismarck passed through the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal.
9 December 1940 - Bismarck arrived at the Blohm & Voss Shipyard in Hamburg.
24 January 1941 - The final work on Bismarck was completed and she was ready to sail again. However a sunken ore ship blocked the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal, which meant that Bismarck had to stay in Hamburg until 6 March 1941. While Bismarck waited in Hamburg she conducted training and battle drills in the harbour of Hamburg.
6 March 1941 - Bismarck was now able to pass through the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal and left the Blohm & Voss Shipyard in Hamburg and sailed towards the Baltic.
7 - 8 March 1941 - Bismarck passed through the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal for the last time.
8 March 1941 - Bismarck arrived at Scheerhafen (Kiel).
8 - 17 March 1941 - Bismarck embarked supplies at Scheerhafen (Kiel), ammunition, fuel, water, two Arado 196 aircraft. Striped camouflage paint was added. The ship was now fully equipped.
17 March 1941 - Bismarck left Scheerhafen (Kiel) and arrived at Gotenhafen (Gdynia).
Sunday 18 May 1941 (Operation "Rheinübung")
Between 11:12 and 11:15 - Bismarck and Prinz Eugen left their berths in Gotenhafen (Gdynia) and anchored in the roadstead.
Afternoon - Bismarck weighed anchor and made manoeuvre with Tirpitz near the coast.
Evening - Bismarck and Prinz Eugen anchored in Gotenhafen (Gdynia) roadstead.
Monday 19 May 1941
About 02:00 - Bismarck weighed anchor. Bismarck and Prinz Eugen made separate cruise westward. Made a subsequent meeting at Cape Arkona (Rügen) and cruise on to the Great Belt.
Wednesday 21 May 1941
08:00 - 09:00 - Bismarck, Prinz Eugen and the destroyers entered Korsfjord near Bergen.
09:14 - Prinz Eugen passed through the Korsfjord and anchored with the destroyers north of Bergen (refuelled in Kalvanes Bay).
11:00 - Bismarck anchored in the Grimstadfjord and was not refueled. Coastal Command "Spitfire" planes took off on reconnaissance flights.
20:00 - Bismarck and Prinz Eugen left the Korsfjord undiscovered, along with the three destroyers, northward from Kalvanes Bay at cruising speed.
If you could also add Tirpitz, that would be awesome, too. I used the same site for the Tirpitz.
1 April 1939 - Launched (Wilhelmshaven). Christened by Frau von Hassel, daughter of Grossadmiral Tirpitz, after whom the ship was named.
By looking at the operational history of the ship, she was attacked numerous times by aircraft while at Wilhelmshaven. If you wanted to add the planes, that would be cool. Totally optional, though. :up: Even just one attack would be sufficient. :yep:
5 May 1941 - Adolf Hitler visited the naval yard at Gdynia (Gotenhafen). He inspected both Tirpitz and Bismarck wich were anchored in the roadstead.
I have seen Gdynia mentioned numerous times now. I have never heard of it before. As such, I know it isn't modeled in the game. I didn't know where Gdynia was, so I looked at Google Earth. Very useful! :lol: Anyway, Gdynia looks to be in Danzig Bay. Danzig would be the closest port. So, when the Bismarck and Tirpitz are in that area, maybe you can just put them in Danzig.
12 January 1942 - Tirpitz left Kiel.
13 January 1942 - Tirpitz reached Holtenau, at the eastern end of the Kiel canal. Here she off-loaded unnecessary stores and equipment for the journey through the canal. Even so, her masts only just cleared the bridges. Later that day, she anchored at Brunsbüttel at the western end of the canal to take on fuel, together with the material that had been put ashore and transported independently from Holtenau. She then proceeded to Wilhelmshaven.
14 January 1942 - Tirpitz, escorted by the destroyers Richard Beitzen, Paul Jacobi, Bruno Heinemann and Z29, transferred from Wilhelmshaven, Germany to Trondheim, Norway. It was four days later than originally planned.
16 January 1942 - Tirpitz arrived, together with the destroyers, at Trondheim in Norway and anchored in Fættenfjord.
5 - 9 March 1942
Operation "Sportpalast" - First combat action against Allied convoys. Tirpitz sailed, in company with the destroyers Z25, Friedrich Ihn, Paul Jacobi and Hermann Schoemann, into the Arctic Ocean to intercept the convoys PQ-12 and QP-8. Due to bad weather the German battle group failed to contact the enemy convoys. After unsuccessful attacks by British carrier aircraft and submarines, the Tirpitz sailed to the Lofoten islands and anchored in Bogen near Narvik undiscovered at 9 March.
12 March 1942 - Tirpitz left Bogen and headed back to Fættenfjord near Trondheim.
13 March 1942 - Tirpitz arrived at Fættenfjord near Trondheim.
2 - 6 July 1942
Operation "Rösselsprung" - Tirpitz was redrawn to Bogen were it arrived on 6 July 1942.
23 October 1942 - Tirpitz left Bogen to be refitted at Fættenfjord/Lofjord near Trondheim, where the necessary technical personnel was available.
11 March - the night between 12/13 March 1943 - Tirpitz, in company with Prinz Eugen, Karl Galster, Jaguar and Greif, was transferred to the Bogen and met up with the Scharnhorst and Lützow.
22 - 23 March 1943 - Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Lützow and 6 destroyers transferred to Kåfjord/Altenfjord, where the squadron carried out exercises until July.
6 - 9 September 1943
Operation "Sizilien" - A squadron consisting of Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and 9 destroyers (Erich Steinbrinck, Karl Galster, Hans Lody, Theodor Riedel, Z27, Z29, Z30, Z31, Z33) went on to attack the enemy base on Spitzbergen. The attack took place on 8 September. At 1730 on 9 September, the Tirpitz returned safely to Kåfjord.
15 March 1944 - Tirpitz began trials in Barbrudalen (Kåfjord) and Altenfjord.
31 July - 1 August 1944 - Tirpitz carried out exercises at sea for the last time, with the destroyers Z29, Z31, Z33, Z34 and Z39.
15 October 1944 - Transferred to the Sørbotn next to Håkøya near Tromsø, Norway. The ship was only able to make 10 knots.
12 November 1944
Operation "Catechism" - 31 Lancaster bombers from 9 and 617 Squadrons attacked the ship with "Tallboy" bombs. After the first three hits and several near misses the ship capsizes. Of the ca. 1.700 men on board 971 were lost. 87 crewmembers were rescued by cutting holes in the ship's bottom to compartments where they had climbed. The bombers suffered no losses. The battle to sink the Tirpitz was finished.
Phew! That's a lot. Near the end with the Tirpitz, it looks like she makes quite a few ports of call to other ports not in the game. What you want to do with those, I'm not sure. When the final battle for Tirpitz is underway, would you want to add a bunch of planes to destroy the ship? That would be cool. This is a very detailed account of both Bismarck and Tirpitz. If you wanted to simplify things, that would be ok. :yep:
07-12-2005, 01:22 PM
I will study this informations and later I will merge then on the traffic mod. Can you test this for me when it's in the beta version?
07-12-2005, 01:44 PM
some great information on the battleships ! It is mot relevant for SH3 but wasn't there also a submarine attack on the "Tirpitz" with some of those british X-craft mini-subs ? The goal to sink failed, but there certainly was some damage. I remember my uncle told me about that, being radio man on the "Tirpitz" for a short time before he was transferred to destroyer Z30.
07-12-2005, 02:29 PM
Can you test this for me when it's in the beta version?
Yeah. I'll be glad to test it. :D Thanks for doing this work! :yep:
It is mot relevant for SH3 but wasn't there also a submarine attack on the "Tirpitz" with some of those british X-craft mini-subs ?
Yeah. Mini-subs did attack the ship. While looking through the operational history, that was mentioned. I don't know much about Tirpitz, so I learned something today. :lol:
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