Women on subs...

[Armistead]

See they're finally gonna let women serve in our nuclear sub fleet. What made me choke is it cost $300,000 to convert on bunk in a nuclear sub.
Guess they had to add seperate spacing, basically 3 women added per sub, think a total of 9. About 2 million per woman in total cost to bring em aboard......They talked of the cramped quarters, ect., saying that has nothing to do with it...wonder if they would've changed their mind on a WW2 boat.

I saw the interview with a few, one would scare the hell out of Halsey, one, well, room in my bunk for her anytime.....

Anyone here served on a nuc. I assume they don't hot bunk?

I guess it's about time.

[ETR3(SS)]

I was on an Ohio. Hot racking still goes on on the 688s not sure about the Seawolf or Virginia class though. I personally don't like women in the military as it is, let alone on a submarine.:down:

[Armistead]

Yea, that seems to be the concenus from the men on the sub, but my, how times are a changing. I would think sexual tension is bad enough? How long were your patrols?

[JREX53]

The sub crews will be either all men or all women. There will be no mixed crews. That was decided last year or the year before.

I think this was reported in the Navy Times or News.

Jim

[Armistead]

The sub crews will be either all men or all women. There will be no mixed crews. That was decided last year or the year before.

I think this was reported in the Navy Times or News.

Jim

You're kidding, if they were gonna wait for a all woman crew to man a nuclear sub, would never happen.

The women officers are in training now and will go on duty next year.

The CNN report.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/22/women-to-begin-serving-on-u-s-submarines/

[ETR3(SS)]

Yea, that seems to be the concenus from the men on the sub, but my, how times are a changing. I would think sexual tension is bad enough? How long were your patrols?Every time we went out we planned on it being a minimum of 90 days. Usually ended up in the 70-80 days range though. Sexual tension isn't too bad now as everybody brought their own "entertainment." Put women on board, officer or not, and it's going to get worse. And they will get pregnant which will prevent them from deploying for two years (not sure on the time, haven't been pregnant in the Navy). And then somebody has to fill their spot which means somebody on shore duty just got put back on sea duty.

The sub crews will be either all men or all women. There will be no mixed crews. That was decided last year or the year before.

I think this was reported in the Navy Times or News.

JimIf they were doing segregated crews this wouldn't be causing the big stir that it is. They are doing integrated crews. Now I'll say this, if the Admirals and the SECNAV were really interested in equality for women they would let them join the SEALs as well. Political maneuvering, happens in the military too.

[timmyg00]

What kills me about this is the idea that ANY accomodations at all must be made based on gender, not only on submarines, but in any branch of the military. On shore bases or rear bases, that's different... Sure, you can designate separate sections of barracks etc. for each gender. However, once you are on a front-line unit, such as a ship, that separation needs to go out the window. The mission comes first, and your comfort and privacy come second. So, my take on this is that "You joined the military. It's a sacrifice. Deal with it." Accomodations for privacy should not be made, especially in these budget-conscious times. What this all amounts to is a multi-million-dollar social engineering project.

TG

[WarlordATF]

What kills me about this is the idea that ANY accomodations at all must be made based on gender, not only on submarines, but in any branch of the military. On shore bases or rear bases, that's different... Sure, you can designate separate sections of barracks etc. for each gender. However, once you are on a front-line unit, such as a ship, that separation needs to go out the window. The mission comes first, and your comfort and privacy come second. So, my take on this is that "You joined the military. It's a sacrifice. Deal with it." Accomodations for privacy should not be made, especially in these budget-conscious times. What this all amounts to is a multi-million-dollar social engineering project.

TG

This i completely agree with. I have no problems with Women doing anything a Man can do, However there should be no special treatment. Once they complete training they are Soldiers,Sailors,Marines or Airmen (Wonder how long that term will last?) and they should expect to all be treated the same. The only special requirement i would give them is access to things like tampons on the Boat and that would not cost 2 million per Woman!

[Armistead]

Those tight hallways, what happens when someone brushes up against one of the females in passing.

I have no doubt many females have smart brains and could work this. Still, we have to think cost. If females want this all ships should ignore gender, bunk together, ect. If war breaks out, what's a woman gonna do, dig her a seperate foxhole and use her government issued combat potty. They should all train and serve as if combat is going on, moreso with all the wars we get into.

It doe's pizz me off that you see so many of these women later with lawsuits against male officers. Outright sexual abuse not wanted is wrong, but so many times it's minor sexuality you'll find anywhere you put men and women together. The kicker is they always end up with a very progressive
liberal lawyer that says men have to ignore all sexuality in these situations.
We have to accept that's not possible, but many a career has been ruined over it.

One of my customers is a large retailer..famous name. Any employee I send over there must take a two hour class on sexual harrassment. They have rules such as...never look directly at a woman, if two females pass and one says "hi" you must respond to both, no riding alone with a single female in the elevator, must wait for another or take another. The kicker, most the women that work here model for them. Most are perfect tall models and they all walk around in skirts to their butts....Many tease all the workers there knowing the rules.

[Thrair]

Israel has experimented with women on front line roles. The determination they made was that while some women could meet and/or exceed the qualifications for a front-line soldier, there was an impact on the men they worked with. Specifically, the male soldiers tended to react impulsively if a female solider was injured near them.

Apparently while it's relatively easy to train men to kill, it is very difficult to train them to ignore the protective instincts.


So it's a touchy subject, overall. I'm kind of torn. It's not an easy issue to handle.

Side note, I think we could have female SEALs, but it would probably be best if male and female seals were placed in separate teams.

[rein1705]

i can see men and women serving together on surface ships down to DD escort or smaller but i don't think it will work out aboard a sub because of the long term deployments. I'm not saying that their not capable or that men and women can not work together like that but i just see somebody messing it up and tanking the whole program as unavoidable.

[Alky]

See they're finally gonna let women serve in our nuclear sub fleet. What made me choke is it cost $300,000 to convert on bunk in a nuclear sub.
Guess they had to add separate spacing

And yet it's ok to put gay men in with straight. Maybe it should just be co-ed, no special accommodations, let everyone get distracted regardless of sexual preference :D

[NoGoodLandLubber]

Hmm...why am I suddenly hearing the theme to Love Boat??? :har:

I'll be here all week!! Don't forget to tip your waitress!!

[Captain1966]

Hey! Women served on subs in WWII.

Here is the proof: :rotfl2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYoNubDZfnU

[Platapus]

"we sunk a truck!" :yeah:

[WernherVonTrapp]

You're kidding, if they were gonna wait for a all woman crew to man a nuclear sub, would never happen.

The women officers are in training now and will go on duty next year.

The CNN report.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/22/women-to-begin-serving-on-u-s-submarines/ Speaking of which, now I'm just a little curious, speculating of course in the name of science-like. I wonder what submarines would be shaped like if women ruled the world.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-music037.gif

[Armistead]

Speaking of which, now I'm just a little curious, speculating of course in the name of science-like. I wonder what submarines would be shaped like if women ruled the world.http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-music037.gif

Well. considering these women that usually do these sort of thing, we know for sure one thing it won't be shaped like :03:

Here is the link to COMSUBPAC. http://www.csp.navy.mil/

You'll find there a audio from some the Admiral explaining women on subs. He basically says subs are technical and twice as many women are getting technical degrees than men. So it's the same old same old...even in subs, it appears women are smarter than men.

Almost funny, he explains how women will be treated the exact same way as men, then states they're placing women on the Ohio class subs because they have the extra space for seperate bunks, bascially a few women will get a nice bunkroom just for 3 max women per sub and the men still stay in quarters.

It's ashame that men can no longer have anything for themselves. I plan on starting a men's only club in my neighborhood as soon as my wife gives me permission.

[ETR3(SS)]

Almost funny, he explains how women will be treated the exact same way as men, then states they're placing women on the Ohio class subs because they have the extra space for seperate bunks, bascially a few women will get a nice bunkroom just for 3 max women per sub and the men still stay in quarters.Women will always get the better treatment compared to men. Equality in the Navy is a double standard as evidenced by the separate physical standards. Until the day the Navy creates one standard I will always look down upon female sailors. Actually if our society were serious about equality there wouldn't be a boys basketball and a girls basketball team in high schools.

It's ashame that men can no longer have anything for themselves. I plan on starting a men's only club in my neighborhood as soon as my wife gives me permission.It's a down right cryin shame! But if you ever get permission for that mens club I'll come hang out, when my girlfriend says it's okay.:haha:

[rein1705]

It's a down right cryin shame! But if you ever get permission for that mens club I'll come hang out, when my girlfriend says it's okay.:haha:

Count me in too! But my wife will want to check on me if we have beer :nope:

[WernherVonTrapp]

it appears women are smarter than men.

Phooey, that's just an old wive's tale. Hey, I can start a chapter here in Jersey. We can call it the "He-Man Woman Haters Club".:D

[Armistead]

Al Bundy....

A true example of a man, I still count the many lessons I learned from him,..when I wasn't watching Kelly