Enigma Flotilla & SH5

[Woodybcn]

Well, I think is time to open a new thread to talk about how to add SH5 to our special Flotilla.

(Personally, since I bought SH5, I'm thinking that maybe we should do some OS for SH5. I've been playing just on SH5 and I'm not sure if I'll come back to SH3 so often as a week before.)

What do you think about it?

[Thomen]

Well, I think is time to open a new thread to talk about how to add SH5 to our special Flotilla.

(Personally, since I bought SH5, I'm thinking that maybe we should do some OS for SH5. I've been playing just on SH5 and I'm not sure if I'll come back to SH3 so often as a week before.)

What do you think about it?

We did the tracking for Dowly, and he is/was using our Enigma codes and schemes. :up:

However, from what I gather, it seems it is not that easy to get your position from SH5 as it is with SH3.

Technically, it should not be a problem to support all SH versions and do the tracking on the same map.

[Fido]

I agree that as a flotilla we need to support both SH3 and SH5, but I will not be able to supply R&D for a game I do not play; that job will have to fall to an SH5 commander. I personally would never use a program that requires me to stay online to play, so until such time as SH5 drops it's online requirements, I will remain a devoted SH3 commander.

Fido :salute:
U-552

[Dowly]

However, from what I gather, it seems it is not that easy to get your position from SH5 as it is with SH3.

Yes, this is true. Your own exact position isn't shown anywhere in the game. So, you have to send status report to BdU, save the game and go find the right save game folder that houses the RadioMessagesSent.ini that shows all sent messages with lon/lat position.

[Thomen]

Yes, this is true. Your own exact position isn't shown anywhere in the game. So, you have to send status report to BdU, save the game and go find the right save game folder that houses the RadioMessagesSent.ini that shows all sent messages with lon/lat position.

It is very odd, that you position is not mentioned in your report to BDU. :damn:

[Laufen zum Ziel]

Yes, this is true. Your own exact position isn't shown anywhere in the game. So, you have to send status report to BdU, save the game and go find the right save game folder that houses the RadioMessagesSent.ini that shows all sent messages with lon/lat position.

DOWLY -
Thanks for following our Flotilla. All com/sug appreciated.

We will do everything we can to support SH5. I added a post to Canovaro's OS thread offering to help all with the postings. Did not receive any comments.

There is very little response to anything I post concerning Flotilla Enigma:hmmm::hmmm:

I have too much faith in our SHIII modders to go to SH5 but you never know:sunny: LzZ

[KL-alfman]

I'm in Fido's lane.
will never play SH5 with U-p(ay but cannot p)lay

[Woodybcn]

I agree FIDO and KL-alfman, it's just a time thing. The whole SUBSIM community is against DRM, then you can be absolutely sure that DRM will fall in a few weeks or months, no more.

Talking about getting the position on SH5,
Do you know if the map can be fixed to show the traditional grid creating a mod or it can not be done?

[KL-alfman]

I agree FIDO and KL-alfman, it's just a time thing. The whole SUBSIM community is against DRM, then you can be absolutely sure that DRM will fall in a few weeks or months, no more.

Talking about getting the position on SH5,
Do you know if the map can be fixed to show the traditional grid creating a mod or it can not be done?


thx, woodybcn.
I really would like to support SH5 - I even considered buying a new machine for that new and graphically superior sim. but only after U-play diminishes.

you can imagine how sorry I feel atm, because I want the SH-series to continue ..... :cry:

[Woodybcn]

I understand perfectly KL-alfman. I can't understand why they broke the old interface!! It was so easy to mantain the the SH3 or SH4 interface and just improve graphics..., or even to add this new way of moving around the U-Boot (a little bit as the Sims simulator, but I can accept it because this is simulation too -NOT ARCADE-)
Is true, there's some ARCADE CONCEPTS on this new game but fortunately can be unselected on "OPTIONS".

[KL-alfman]

I understand perfectly KL-alfman. I can't understand why they broke the old interface!! It was so easy to mantain the the SH3 or SH4 interface and just improve graphics..., or even to add this new way of moving around the U-Boot (a little bit as the Sims simulator, but I can accept it because this is simulation too -NOT ARCADE-)
Is true, there's some ARCADE CONCEPTS on this new game but fortunately can be unselected on "OPTIONS".


I really believe and want to believe.
to see SH die will not make me happy at all. after the "holy patch" which removes U-play-connection I will immediately buy and install. until then, no SH5 for me .... :cry:

[The Enigma]

If someone is willing to send me the radiomessage.ini, I offer to take a look inside ans if if I can come up with a scripted solution for showing the coordinates in a pop-up msgbox after each send message.

I don't have SH5 either and wont buy it as long as the DRM scheme hasn't been patched out.

[Laufen zum Ziel]

Can someone send me a snap of what the game nav map looks like so I can work on it?


Thanks,

LzZ
ps: Good thread though a little kind to DRM:down:

[Woodybcn]

The high resolution map from the Gold Edition is here:
http://fx.itpro.no/fil/SH5.map.final.rar

Is a nice map but not useful to guess any position!

I forgot to say that this map was added by RAGTAG on this post:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163352

[Thomen]

The high resolution map from the Gold Edition is here:
http://fx.itpro.no/fil/SH5.map.final.rar

Is a nice map but not useful to guess any position!

I forgot to say that this map was added by RAGTAG on this post:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163352

Nah.. thats the paper map that came with the Gold edition. Laufen means, the map that is shown in the game. ;)

[Laufen zum Ziel]

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9666/sh5tutorialgridmap.jpg

Let me know.

Ken

[Woodybcn]

It looks like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4444816931_1d42bd23dd_b.jpg

[Thomen]

I made an inquiry at the mod forum regarding the map, and it seems it wont be possible anytime soon to get a KM grid reference in SH5.

However, there is a thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165365) in the SH5 forum where some have discovered that parts of the code is apparently still there. Lets hope someone will be implementing it.

[don1reed]

I have SH5 also...and I'm still in the learning/experimenting stages. I have not played too much with the F3 chart...but, so far...

1. I zoom in until two horizontal latitude lines = 1 degree.
I take the "ruler" tool and measure my latitude. (Horizontal line to horizontal line). I measured the distance between them as 120km. Forget the "km"...120 is a definitive number and if divided by 2 = 60, which, for all purposes represents 60 minutes of the degree and at that location, every 2km, then, is equal to 1 minute of a degree.

I've been too busy with RL to get into it any deeper, but similar measurements could be made between vertical, longitudinal, lines. I'm not sure if SH5 chart is a true representative of a mercator projection where the higher latitudes are longer than the one's nearer to the equator. Or, you could just use: ratio and proportion to determine minutes of longitude.

Once Lat/Long is established, it's simple to determine KM grid using The KM charts found on Laufen's Enigma website.

Edit: After I wrote the above, I opened SH5 and took a closer look at the distance between Longitudes and ...surprise...the devs made them 120km too. Who knows why, (to make their engine work), each degree is exactly 120km square.

At latitude 60°N, between Orkney and Shetland Is. in RL a degree of longitude is only 30.9 nm wide and a degree of longitude at the equator is 60 nm wide. (IAW Bowditch: minutes of long x cos Lat. = nautical miles (nm))....then 60 min. cos 59° = 30.9 nm. A sailor would then open his dividers along the left or right edge of a chart, where the alternating black and white hacture marks that equal minutes of latitude are located, to measure any and/or all linear distance.

As an example: take a look at celestial/navigational globe in my signature. Angle PZX. The distance ZX in Real Life is measured by spreading the dividers between the two locations and the distance is measured by placing the dividers on one of the curved longitude lines represented by meridian Pp. Although curved on the globe, these meridians would look like straight lines on the small scale chart in your control room. The small scale chart where a microdot speck represents a ship the size of an aircraft carrier.

So, what has all this to do with navigation in SH5?

The short answer. Ratio & Proportion. A is to B as Y is to Z (A:B::Y:Z) I swear, it makes you wish you had paid more attention to your math studies when you were at school, doesn't it? Keep telling yourself, "it's only a game." :)

The other answer, as always, is for some gifted MODDER to create a KM grid over the Mercator chart in SH5.

Caveat: I throw the term "small scale chart" around like I know what I'm talking about...er...I really do. Let me explain.

The scale of an actual chart is in reality a fraction, i.e., 1:1,000,000 or 1/1,000,000. Even though the 1,000,000 is an impressively large number, in this case, however, it's the denominator of a fraction. The fraction/ratio of 1:1M is telling the sailor that 1mm, or 1m, or 1nm is equal to 1,000,000 of whatever the qualifier equals mm, m, or nautical mile.

The "small scale" comes from the fact that 1/1M is a small fraction, although, small scale charts (and maps) show the most territory. The chart of the Atlantic is a "small scale" chart. A chart of Wilhelmshaven Harbor is a "Large scale" chart (a larger fraction, i.e., 1:1000.)

cheers,

[JMV]

As you probably know, I'm a member, as well as you in the Enigma forum.

Thing is I'm getting lost at trying to implement a easy way to map my patrol itineraries...

I know you're the expert on those things, and would like to know, when using the KM chart, as that we use in the game, and without google is there is a simple way to know at various scales were you are in terms of real Lat and Lon...

Something like what is 1 Degree at different scales, the exact lenght and width of a quadrant like AN 33 for example. Well all that stuff, you know

I don't want to save everytime I take a new course, in order to have the real coordinates ( the / by 120000 and x by 60 thingy )

Could you explain to me Very extensively, when you have time, and consider the fact that I'm a real noob...

Please open a thread in OUR Forum.

I could do it on google, but same I don't understand how they do it, like in thread :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=138710
Posts 1-3-8-15

Sorry to bother

[JMV]

BUMP :oops:

[Thomen]

If I remember correctly, Don uses stellar navigation with SH3, which means he probably get his position in latitude and longitude.

Even if KM grid is used it should be still not that difficult. Just get your grid position and use a MQK converter to convert grid to L&L and plug those number in your Google Earth client. Use one of the tools in the software to mark your spot, and connect the dots. :up:

EDIT:

http://uboat-990.info/enigma/gfx/conversion.jpg

(large picture)

[Thomen]

Ok.. I just ook a quick look and played around with it.

Got to the my Places tab in the middle of the ligt side bar, expand "My Places", then right click on "Layers and Legends" and choose "Add" -> "Folder". I named mine U-108, just to test it.

Once you have a position, you can copy and paste it into the "Fly to" field on the top left, and it will take you right to it. Click on "Add Placemark" and fill out the form ( name, description and so on).

If you want to draw a path from one point to another, or want to outline your course correction between position fixes, you can do that with "Add Path" in the top toolbar, above the map window.

Sample:
http://uboat-990.info/enigma/gfx/GE_Path_u108.jpg

After you are done adding placemarks and paths and stuff, you can drag and drop them into your folder that you created above. This way you can turn on and off paths with a simple click.

[JMV]

Ok, thanks Thomen, will try again.